I spoke to a very devout Catholic lawyer deeply embedded in this fight. He pointed out that the complexity of the science even to the point of the facts being different for each of the "vaccines", along with the confusion of contradictory messages being given by priests and members of the Church hierarchy, all this creates a moral climate wherein the Catholic conscience becomes confused and conflicted to the point of no longer being strictly culpable should they go ahead with the vaccine.

Sister Lucia said we live in times of "diabolical disorientation". For those of us (including this attorney who is fighting it) who take time to study the matter in depth and are convinced of the reality and horror of using fetal cells, let us thank God for His grace which brings clarity in our thinking and strength of conviction to our will, and pray that others may not be mistaken in theirs.

1. Big Pharma is an abortion centred ruthless killer of unborn children that has no Catholic morals.
2. Every vaccinated person on the planet has been denied medical informed consent. We learn weekly of new devastating adverse events and information hidden. All this information should ONLY be discoverable at the END of the clinical trials in 2023 upon which everyone can complete the informed consent process.

What is he rambling about? What has the 'green' opinion of this got to do with Catholic defense of unborn babies? It seems to me that he's steppng aside from condemning the use of baby parts because he doesn't want to upset anyone. He'd be better in his native tongue with a translator, but that's what he appears to be doing. I may have lost the plot somewhere, short though it was.

I've read the SSPX statements and I can only what I've said elsewhere a few times (different persona!). One could just about (although I personally definitely wouldn't) make a case that in line with Catholic teaching on this type of thing, there is no direct link with the actual original abortion because it was a one-time event which is over and done, but that's only half the story.

The argument about this being a permissible distant co-operation with evil simply doesn't work here, because the evil done is ongoing in the continuous and growing trade in body parts in general, which in turn fuels the abortion 'industry', which now apparently includes full-term babies which is infanticide. As long as we don't 100% condemn and refuse to co-operate in this, then we are complicit.

Fr Pagliarani is seriously disorientated here - at least in my opinion.

This is about the torture and slaughter of infants that are DENIED BAPTISM, Fr. Pagliarani.

One used to feel confident that the SSPX understood the horror of that.

To compound the moral disgust one feels it seems most of the world is whimpering about with their tails between their legs in fear of the Overlords on this CRIME that CRYS OUT TO HEAVEN.

Like a bunch of VICHY.

Used to be you wouldn't include the head of the SSPX in a pack of effeminate VICHY.

What will it take to convince Fr. Pagliarani that he is seriously wrong on this most important issue? Is he unaware of the means in which these meds are made? Is he ignorant of the terrible side effects? Is he ignorant of the plot to destroy mankind with this poison? Has he looked at all into who made these "vaccines"? Just digging a little into one of these questions should help him see the error of his ways and redirect the faithful far away from these abortion derived, one world order, poisons.

Presenting two sides of the argument as if both had equal validly is worthless. What on earth was Fr. Pagliarani trying to achieve here? Appeasement for both sides? A string of justifications and soft cushions for those who have taken the jab? Self-justification? What? And who cares what people support what side and for what reason. It's totally irrelevant to the central issue as many have pointed out here: Is taking these experimental, abortion tainted, duress enforced "vaccines" right? Is it safe? Is it for the common good as is claimed? The answers to these questions are NOT complex. Unless we are looking for excuses to capitulate. I attend a SSPX Mass center and have done so for over twenty years. And I am appalled at this kind of non-directional waffle in this time of a global crisis.

Maybe not all of us think of Revelation and History and Prophecy all the time, but maybe now we should? If we did we may see the clear signs of worldwide madness, (the unborn) human sacrifice to make a serum to ally our fears, a mark to buy and sell, demonization of a group that are threatened with losing the citizenship, running to follow worldwide leadership instead of God, sacrificing our own children with experiments they do not need, and a totalitarian society that refuses to discuss what goes against the current agenda, which changes each day.