Ave Crux
This post just came up on my feed. Actually the Vatican website link provided does show the Vatican calls this coin a depiction of the Mother of the Earth with "eternal" stature....

It's frightening and bizarre, and clearly reflects a hat tip to Pachamama -- that can't be denied.

Here is what the Vatican website says:

"The Vatican City State Mint will issue a 10 euro silver coin made by Maes…More
This post just came up on my feed. Actually the Vatican website link provided does show the Vatican calls this coin a depiction of the Mother of the Earth with "eternal" stature....

It's frightening and bizarre, and clearly reflects a hat tip to Pachamama -- that can't be denied.

Here is what the Vatican website says:

"The Vatican City State Mint will issue a 10 euro silver coin made by Maestro Oldani, depicting a mother carrying the earth in her womb, to whom we owe care and love as if it were a daughter, with long ears of wheat in her hair, in a reference between past and future that becomes timeless, and therefore eternal."

This is not about human motherhood at all. It's about a "mother carrying the earth in her womb"....!!! Exactly how Pachamama is portrayed. The Vatican certainly wouldn't be so brazen as to call it that -- but that's certainly what is depicted.
la verdad prevalece
Jesus replied, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin, but now because you claim that you can see, your guilt remains."
Ultraviolet
This post is about how the Vatican allegedly "issues (a) Pachamama coin", Gesu. Go to the Vatican Numismatic site take a screen cap and highlight the word "Madre Terra" or "Pachamama"
Ultraviolet
To misquote E. Michael Jones, "The clever bully always cries out in pain while striking someone else". That's really what you're doing here Gesù è con noi
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Ultraviolet
"Because cyberbullies can’t witness the effect of their words," You lash out a me, but you don't consider my feelings do you, Gesu? Irony? No, you simply don't care. All your concern about "bullying" is a passive-aggressive attack,. Gesù è con noi
Ultraviolet
"Beware Ultraviolet frequently uses cyberbully to attack the faithfull Catholics of this forum." -Gesù è con noi
Ultraviolet
"Ultraviolet is an enemy of the Catholic faith." -Gesù è con noi And a few minutes earlier you commented .."a troll is a person who starts flame wars..." Like so many hypocrites, you indict yourself without noticing.. The only thing I'm an enemy of is falsehoods So why don't you get back on topic? Because this post is about a supposed "Pachamama coin" not me.
Ultraviolet
"by posting inflammatory and digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages " -You're not talking about the coin, are you? @Gesù è con noi Also, pic related.
Gesù è con noi
“Cyberbullying is the platform the twenty-first century bully uses to inflict pain and humiliation upon another,” says author and speaker Dr. John DeGarmo of The Foster Care Institute. “The use of technology to embarrass, threaten, tease, harass or even target another person.” DeGarmo emphasizes the danger of cyberbullying in how inescapable it can be.
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“Cyberbullying is the platform the twenty-first century bully uses to inflict pain and humiliation upon another,” says author and speaker Dr. John DeGarmo of The Foster Care Institute. “The use of technology to embarrass, threaten, tease, harass or even target another person.” DeGarmo emphasizes the danger of cyberbullying in how inescapable it can be.
Because cyberbullies can’t witness the effect of their words, they use less restraint than they would in face-to-face situations. This emotional and physical detachment allows them to harass others, in some cases without truly realizing they’ve become a bully. But if you are thinking cyberbullying can never harm someone as much as a punch or getting shoved into a locker, think again.
Gesù è con noi
Ultraviolet is an enemy of the Catholic faith. Beware Ultraviolet frequently uses cyberbully to attack the faithfull Catholics of this forum.
Gesù è con noi
In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts flame wars or intentionally upsets people on the Internet by posting inflammatory and digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses and normalizing tangential discussion, either for the troll's amusement …More
In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts flame wars or intentionally upsets people on the Internet by posting inflammatory and digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses and normalizing tangential discussion, either for the troll's amusement or a specific gain...
Ultraviolet
So... the hypocrites "like/love" @malemp's use of four-letter profanity on a "Catholic" site. And @Gesù è con noi isn't summoning @Don Reto Nay to complain. You're too busy putting little "hate" frownies on all my posts aren't you, Gesu? All you show is you hate the truth. For if the truth were on your side, you could show this to be true. You can't. No outrage from you about "insulting …More
So... the hypocrites "like/love" @malemp's use of four-letter profanity on a "Catholic" site. And @Gesù è con noi isn't summoning @Don Reto Nay to complain. You're too busy putting little "hate" frownies on all my posts aren't you, Gesu? All you show is you hate the truth. For if the truth were on your side, you could show this to be true. You can't. No outrage from you about "insulting and harassing" when a fellow Latin GTV user starts following me around swearing. Fancy that. Nice to see @malemp de Argentina has the same filthy mouth as our Argentinian Pope

You people are like all hypocrites. It isn't the act that bothers you, it's the person. When Malemp is spewing gutter-talk on a Catholic site, you're not putting "hate" frownies on his posts, are you? Your standards are as false as your faith. You were raised a Catholic, you may to go Mass and profane the Euchrarist, but your kind are, in truth, less Catholic than even that Argentinian clown who's the current Pope.

There's nothing "liberal" about my agenda, @malemp, you stupid campesino. . But there's plenty that's factually wrong about yours and Gesu's and San Atanasio's and, happily only a very few others. You "amigos" seem to think telling lies are okay if you don't like someone. I don't. Best of all, I use facts and the truth to humiliate you and make you look exactly like the petty, malicious simpletons you truly are. That's what you truly despise. You can't argue the facts with anything except your own hatred of them.

...and the person who tells them.

Here's an idea @malemp instead of turning GTV into a "four letter" toilet, go to the Vatican Numismatic site take a screen cap and highlight the word "Madre Terra" or "Pachamama". If you can't, your charming phrase applies only to you. ;-)
De Profundis
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malemp
ULTRAVIOLET yousuck and youre not even a CATHOLIC always bullyng usuaries and try to push LIBERAL AGENDA whats wrong whith others not thinking the same liberal bull you think?
Alex A
Boy! Have you got that wrong? Friendly suggestion, malemp, check your facts first, before 'jumping into the fire.'
Ultraviolet
@Gesù è con noi I more than welcome @Don Reto Nay's direct attention. Explain to him why the many insults I recieve from you and several other users don't qualify as insulting and harassing "faithful Catholics". .Also explain to him why you're not disproving anything I've presented earlier tonight. Instead, you're trying to get me into trouble. That is true "harassment". ;-)

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@Gesù è con noi I more than welcome @Don Reto Nay's direct attention. Explain to him why the many insults I recieve from you and several other users don't qualify as insulting and harassing "faithful Catholics". .Also explain to him why you're not disproving anything I've presented earlier tonight. Instead, you're trying to get me into trouble. That is true "harassment". ;-)

It's debatable that you and a few others even still are Catholics since you obviously don't submit to "Bergoglio" as you call him, who is the Supreme Pontiff (like it or not). That is schism under Canon Law 751 and schismatics incur aa latae sententiae excommunication excommunication from the Catholic Church under Canon Law 1364 §

"Faithful Catholics" follow the laws of the Church. Do you submit to Pope Francis and recognize him as the Supreme Pontiff? Yes or no?

You 're wrong about the Pope, you're wrong about the woman on the Vatican's coin, and this is how you handle being wrong. What irony... Christ's enemies ran to Pilate and you run to @Don Reto Nay

Seems you and a few other anti-Papal schismatics have started a nice piece of propaganda. "UV insults/ harasses faithful Catholics". Correcting your constant falsehoods and anti-Papal nonsense isn't "harrassment". If I "insult" you, remember I give what I get. I'm just better at giving it than you are.

You're trying to misuse Scripture just like a "Sola Scriptura" Lutheran does when he's wrong. Suddenly he remembers he's "religious" and starts quoting the Bible about heresy.

Let us speak of heresy, as faithful Catholics. The Catholic Church states in Canon Law 751 "Heresy is the obstinate denial or obstinate doubt after the reception of baptism of some truth which is to be believed by divine and Catholic faith."

Show which truth believed by the Church to be divine I obstinately deny or doubt. If you can't, will you accept a permanent ban from GTV?

You want to play at being a "faithful Catholic"? Fine. Let us wager our memberships with @Don Reto Nay as judge. Loser gets permanently banned and banned again if they try to rejoin. Do you still want to discuss heresy as a "faithful Catholic"? I do! :D

You quote Titus 3:11-11 about "evil teachers" What have I taught here that is evil or false?

"Jesus answered him: If I have spoken evil, give testimony of the evil; but if well, why strikest thou me?" (John 18:23)

That's exactly what you're NOT doing. You can't and you know it which is why you're playing the Pharisee.
Gesù è con noi
Let them alone: they are blind, and leaders of the blind.
Catena Aurea Saint Jerome: This is also the same as that Apostolic injunction, “A heretic after the first and second admonition reject, knowing that such a one is perverse.” [Tit 3:11-11] To the same end the Saviour commands evil teachers to be left to their own will, knowing that it is hardly that they can be brought to the truth.
Gesù è con noi
@Don Reto Nay I wonder how the administration of Gloria tv allows this user @Ultraviolet to insult and harass faithful Catholics.
Atte: @Deacon Nick Donnelly
Ultraviolet
You are a liar, @San Albóndigas I'm not contradicting "the Official Vatican website" or the sculptor Luigi Oldani because neither of them call the woman on the coin "Pachamama" or "Madre Terra". Those words don't even appear on those pages. You can't read Italian, so linking up Italian language sites and then making claim about they say is just the kind dirty trick I can expect from you.

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You are a liar, @San Albóndigas I'm not contradicting "the Official Vatican website" or the sculptor Luigi Oldani because neither of them call the woman on the coin "Pachamama" or "Madre Terra". Those words don't even appear on those pages. You can't read Italian, so linking up Italian language sites and then making claim about they say is just the kind dirty trick I can expect from you.

Very easy to prove one way or the other. Highlight the word "Pachamama" or "Madre Terra" on the screen-cap of Official Vatican Philatelic and Numismatic site or your screencap of the sculptor Luigi Oldani..

That IS your claim: the Vatican website and the sculptor " identifies the coin with the Pachamama" Your words quoted verbatim.. So highlight the word Pachamama on the screen caps for the Vatican site or Luigi Oldani. Do it or apologize to me with the same thoroughness of your attack. I'm not done with you. I'll be "replying" just so my reply is properly organized. (cont.)
Ultraviolet
You picked the worst time to squabble with me @San Apestado ;-) When I'm feeling playful, I like to use my opponents' own material against them. Just because I can.

So, you insist Pachamama is the same as Mother Earth. You did so so last night with your silly headlines and now you even claim the "the official Vatican website" and "the sculptor" "identifies the coin with the Pachamama".

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You picked the worst time to squabble with me @San Apestado ;-) When I'm feeling playful, I like to use my opponents' own material against them. Just because I can.

So, you insist Pachamama is the same as Mother Earth. You did so so last night with your silly headlines and now you even claim the "the official Vatican website" and "the sculptor" "identifies the coin with the Pachamama".

Just one problem: the Official Vatican Philatelic and Numismatic site doesn't name this coin or call the woman on it "Pachamama" OR even "Madre Terra" (i.e. "Mother Earth")

ufn.va/…ag-fs-2020-50-ann-g-terra.html

The official Vatican Philatelic and Numismatic site describes the image as "depicting a mother carrying the earth in her womb"

So were did this name "Madre Terra" get connected with the coin? It was introduced by way of secular sites like Church Militant (and similar bloggy news sites) quoting a secular Italian numismatic site which you screen-capped. Neither of those sources are Vatican or even quoting the Vatican.

They fabricated the title of the coin. It doesn't appear on the Vatican site. Anti-Papal morons like you will swallow anything because it fits your agenda. (cont.)
Ultraviolet
Where did the secular Italian numismatic site get it? They borrowed the term from the Italian title of Pope Francis book from October of last year: "Nostra Terra Madre. Una lettura Cristiana della sfida dell’ambiente" (English: Our Mother Earth: A Christian reading of the environmental challenge)

vaticannews.va/…-for-the-care-of-creation.html

press.vatican.va/…bblico/2019/10/16/191016e.html…More
Where did the secular Italian numismatic site get it? They borrowed the term from the Italian title of Pope Francis book from October of last year: "Nostra Terra Madre. Una lettura Cristiana della sfida dell’ambiente" (English: Our Mother Earth: A Christian reading of the environmental challenge)

vaticannews.va/…-for-the-care-of-creation.html

press.vatican.va/…bblico/2019/10/16/191016e.html

This is significant because it shows both the Vatican and the Pople are fully comfortable using the term "Madre Terra" when they want to. If the Vatican wanted to call this coin or the woman on it,"Madre Terra," then they have arlready demonstrated that they would. They didn't because she isn't "Madre Terra" and therefore she isn't Pachamama.

A secular Italian numismatic site can give any name they want. They are not the Vatican. Worse, that secuar site's name for the coin is even more wrong than you could possibly imagine as you'll soon learn. (cont.)
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Ultraviolet
The expert on the Quechua language you kept ignoring last night, Catholic priest Padre Jorge A Lira claimed that "Pacha Mama significa Madre Tierra:" (English: "Pacha Mama means Mother Earth:").

That citation is courtesy of @V.R.S. checking the Spanish language Wikipedia... Never let it be said I don't give the credit he richly deserves. Especially when what's going to follow makes him …More
The expert on the Quechua language you kept ignoring last night, Catholic priest Padre Jorge A Lira claimed that "Pacha Mama significa Madre Tierra:" (English: "Pacha Mama means Mother Earth:").

That citation is courtesy of @V.R.S. checking the Spanish language Wikipedia... Never let it be said I don't give the credit he richly deserves. Especially when what's going to follow makes him look as silly as getting caught in that lie about checking English dictionaries.

Let's ignore for a moment exactly -how- Padre Lima defined Pachamama. His definition includes a number of concepts that directly contradict each other and what "Madre Terra" means. None of that is his fault, he's only repeating what a bunch of pagan savages claimed and making a best approximation of their errors and falsehoods..

Important, true, but let's just run with the Padre for a few steps. ;-)
Ultraviolet
According to Padre Lima, "Pacha Mama means Mother Earth". The figure on the Vatican coin can't be "Mother Earth" for one incontestable reason...

Mother Earth can't carry herself in her own womb.

It's a self-contradicting impossibility. As I said, this might well be a different panthiest eco-diety, but it is not Mother Earth/ Madre Terra (Tierra), and therefore, according to Padre Lima, it …More
According to Padre Lima, "Pacha Mama means Mother Earth". The figure on the Vatican coin can't be "Mother Earth" for one incontestable reason...

Mother Earth can't carry herself in her own womb.

It's a self-contradicting impossibility. As I said, this might well be a different panthiest eco-diety, but it is not Mother Earth/ Madre Terra (Tierra), and therefore, according to Padre Lima, it can't be Pachamama, either.

Gotcha! ;-)
Ultraviolet
Here's the big breakdown for you.

@San Atanasio esta cabron:: Pachamama is Madre Terra. Look at my UK News Headlines!

@V.R.S. (quoting) Father Lima "Pachamama means Madre Terra." Argumentum Ad Wikipedium En Español ;-)

@ Offiical Vatican Numismatic Site Page :Doesn't call the coin or the woman on the coin "Madre Terra" (or Pacha Mama) anywhere.

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Here's the big breakdown for you.

@San Atanasio esta cabron:: Pachamama is Madre Terra. Look at my UK News Headlines!

@V.R.S. (quoting) Father Lima "Pachamama means Madre Terra." Argumentum Ad Wikipedium En Español ;-)

@ Offiical Vatican Numismatic Site Page :Doesn't call the coin or the woman on the coin "Madre Terra" (or Pacha Mama) anywhere.

...because Mother Earth can't carry herself in herself and then give birth to herself.

A woman is carrying the earth in her womb.

This last point is central to Catholic pro-life argument. Mother and her unborn child are separate individuals.. A mother who gets an abortion isn't removing a piece of herself. She is removing someone else (and killing them).

Little wonder why the woman on the Vatican coin doesn't look like Pachamama. It isn't Pachama and never was.
Ultraviolet
Well done, @V.R.S. Your own oh so helpful Spanish Wikipedia reference just destroyed @San Cagado's argument entirely. They were doing poorly enough on their own, but that wasn't enough for you. Not at all... You just had to help them out with your scholarship. Aw, you poor chumps, the both of you.

Lastly, since you each insisted on bringing the subject up... this is why I'm arrogant.…More
Well done, @V.R.S. Your own oh so helpful Spanish Wikipedia reference just destroyed @San Cagado's argument entirely. They were doing poorly enough on their own, but that wasn't enough for you. Not at all... You just had to help them out with your scholarship. Aw, you poor chumps, the both of you.

Lastly, since you each insisted on bringing the subject up... this is why I'm arrogant. I can beat you with my sources. Then I can turn around and beat you with your own sources as well ... just for the sheer pleasure of doing so. MFW...
Ultraviolet
Today @la mentira prevalece discovers the Church Militant site is not the Vatican any more than he is. If Church Militant calls the coin "Mother Earth" or "Madre Terra" or "Britney Spears" so what? They're not quoting the Vatican website and neither are you. Your screen cap is worthless and you are an idiot.

"It is a waste of time trying to prove the facts"

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Today @la mentira prevalece discovers the Church Militant site is not the Vatican any more than he is. If Church Militant calls the coin "Mother Earth" or "Madre Terra" or "Britney Spears" so what? They're not quoting the Vatican website and neither are you. Your screen cap is worthless and you are an idiot.

"It is a waste of time trying to prove the facts"

Your stupidity just got disproved with facts. Try again. Go ahead, why don't YOU take a look at the official Vatican numismatic site, screen-cap it and highlight the word "Madre Terra" on it. Here's the page.

ufn.va/…ag-fs-2020-50-ann-g-terra.html

The word "Madre Terra" does not appear on that page, either identifying the coin or the woman on it.

"especially if someone does not speak English."

Go play your "foreign language" victim-game somewhere else. You Latins are every bit as vicious as I am. You lie, you repeat your lies even after I've corrected them and then you complain like hurt little children how I'm the one attacking you! :D Hypocrisy? Loads of it. I give what I get. I just give MORE of it out of a fine sense of irony and, perhaps, a growing Catholic generosity. ;-)
Alex A
@la verdad prevalece What, and whose truth would that be?
San Atanasio ora pro nobis
Ultraviolet has the arrogance to contradict the official Vatican website and the sculptor of the pagan coin who identifies the coin with the Pachamama, that was made to honor the pagan idol for the 50th Anniversary of World Earth Day, released on the anniversary of the closure of the Amazonian pagan pseudo-synod.
la verdad prevalece
Exodus 20:3 you shall have no other gods before me.