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Archbishop Calls John Paul II Who Promoted Him, a Bad Theologian

Retired Dublin Archbishop Diarmuid Martin, 78, twice in his life met a woman he could have imagined as a wife, he told RTÉ Ireland (August 31). He is still in contact with one of them. Martin says he …More
Retired Dublin Archbishop Diarmuid Martin, 78, twice in his life met a woman he could have imagined as a wife, he told RTÉ Ireland (August 31).
He is still in contact with one of them. Martin says he entered the seminary in 1962 at the age of 17, but, “I was totally immature.”
He was ordained in 1969 “to a different Church [he admits] and to a different world.” Now, he complains that "married priests" or a priest "being in love" were never mentioned in the seminary, "We were never trained for celibacy.” He describes his seminary at Clonliffe as “miserable” and “dreadful”.
When asked the obligatory question about condoms, Martin answered to the complete satisfaction of the sex-obsessed RTÉ activist, pontificating that it was a “bad theology” of John Paul II to ban condoms as intrinsically evil. Incidentally, Martin owes his ecclesiastical career to this bad theologian.
He defends a situational ethics that allows every crime to be turned into a heroic act, and accuses his mentor of an "…More
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“The Church has got so caught up in the dogmatic rights and wrongs, absolute rights and wrongs, that it’s lost the context,” Archbishop Martin said in this interview. Questioned on the possibility of ordaining women priests, he says: “I don’t see, in any way, that women priests will be something we will see in my lifetime.” What message does the reader draw from those telling last words: “in my …More
“The Church has got so caught up in the dogmatic rights and wrongs, absolute rights and wrongs, that it’s lost the context,” Archbishop Martin said in this interview. Questioned on the possibility of ordaining women priests, he says: “I don’t see, in any way, that women priests will be something we will see in my lifetime.” What message does the reader draw from those telling last words: “in my lifetime”?
V.R.S.
@chris griffin
"I praise John Paul II for Evangelium Vitae (The Gospel of Life)..."
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You praise for the thing you do not know (as the document is obviously erroneus):
"In a special way, believers in Christ must defend and promote this right, aware as they are of the wonderful truth recalled by the Second Vatican Council: "By his incarnation the Son of God has united himself in some fashion with …More
@chris griffin
"I praise John Paul II for Evangelium Vitae (The Gospel of Life)..."
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You praise for the thing you do not know (as the document is obviously erroneus):
"In a special way, believers in Christ must defend and promote this right, aware as they are of the wonderful truth recalled by the Second Vatican Council: "By his incarnation the Son of God has united himself in some fashion with every human being""

"Service of the Gospel of life is thus an immense and complex task. This service increasingly appears as a valuable and fruitful area for positive cooperation with our brothers and sisters of other Churches and ecclesial communities, in accordance with the practical ecumenism which the Second Vatican Council authoritatively encouraged"

"The dragon wishes to devour "the child brought forth" (cf. Rev 12:4), a figure of Christ, whom Mary brought forth "in the fullness of time" (Gal 4:4) and whom the Church must unceasingly offer to people in every age. But in a way that child is also a figure of every person, every child, especially every helpless baby whose life is threatened, because-as the Council reminds us-"by his Incarnation the Son of God has united himself in some fashion with every person"
(all EV)
chris griffin
@V.R.S... Sorry but I don't understand what or why you have written what you did.
I said..."I praise John Paul II for Evangelium Vitae (The Gospel of Life) which infallibly elevated the condemnation of abortion to the same authority as the founding of the Catholic Church by Christ and all the Marian dogmas" which is undeniable an infallible doctrine of the Catholic Church.
You quoted "By his …More
@V.R.S... Sorry but I don't understand what or why you have written what you did.

I said..."I praise John Paul II for Evangelium Vitae (The Gospel of Life) which infallibly elevated the condemnation of abortion to the same authority as the founding of the Catholic Church by Christ and all the Marian dogmas" which is undeniable an infallible doctrine of the Catholic Church.

You quoted "By his incarnation the Son of God has united himself in some fashion with every human being" which seems true to me.

You quoted "positive cooperation with our brothers and sisters of other Churches and ecclesial communities, in accordance with the practical ecumenism which the Second Vatican Council authoritatively encouraged". I have been a sidewalk counselor for 15 years, 10 years of which were alongside Protestants. It is undeniable that they also save mothers and babies from abortion.

You quoted "But in a way that child is also a figure of every person, every child, especially every helpless baby whose life is threatened, because-as the Council reminds us-"by his Incarnation the Son of God has united himself in some fashion with every person". I cannot imagine what you object to in this quote.

Please let me know, thanks.
Boanerges Boanerges
This poor man is just doing what his master is ordering him to do: prepare the sheep for the slaughter called “the synod of synodality”. The battle of Armageddon rages on...
Pt Murphy
It's very surprising that this character has had any desire for a woman.
Malki Tzedek
Et tu, Brute?
petrus100452
all these people,who intellectually, spiritually and mentally have not yet reached the height of JP II's ankles give here their poor and petty criticism of this greatest pope in church history.... He will become the third pope with the title "the Great"
Pt Murphy
No. Overseeing the auto demolition of the church necessarily excludes this rosy assessment. Holding the line on a point of the moral law does not make one "Great."
Ivan Tomas
Yeah, Wojtila "the great oecumen"!
English Catholic
Also, there was JPII's terrible lack of discernment regarding the Marcial Maciel scandal: Marcial Maciel - Wikipedia
English Catholic
Humanae Vitae was published in 1968, six years after Diarmuid Martin entered the seminary and a year before he was ordained. I don't believe he wouldn't have known about it, and it would have been his responsibility to read it. Humanae Vitae was issued way before anything Pope John Paul II said on the subject, so the Archbishop's response is somewhat disingenuous.
Ivan Tomas
OK, I don't care what this one says, or does, or thinks, but of JPII a good theologian was, I have at least some doubts. And this I base only on his charades of so-called spirit of Assisi thing.
Live Mike
Didn't Pope John Paul II delegate the responsibility of selecting bishops to others he mistakenly trusted? Did Pope John Paul II have the time necessary to micro-manage the selection of men for consecration to the episcopacy; carefully examining every individual? Hmm.
SonoftheChurch
@Live Mike All Supreme Pontiffs delegate that responsibility. Bishops are not selected at the Papal level, meaning: with the direct and personal knowledge, intervention and explicit involvement of the Holy Father for the thousands of dioceses and ecclesiastical jurisdictions throughout the whole world. The initial selection begins at the local level long before a candidate is approved by the Holy …More
@Live Mike All Supreme Pontiffs delegate that responsibility. Bishops are not selected at the Papal level, meaning: with the direct and personal knowledge, intervention and explicit involvement of the Holy Father for the thousands of dioceses and ecclesiastical jurisdictions throughout the whole world. The initial selection begins at the local level long before a candidate is approved by the Holy See. And even then, for most diocese, the Holy Father’s direct and personal knowledge and approval of their Ordinary or episcopal candidate is only perfunctory. Most of the time the Pope himself is entirely unaware of the various idiosyncrasies surrounding such machinations as are often laid at his feet by his clueless and enormously inept critics, who clearly are totally ignorant of how the wheels of the Vatican turn and how the Church, with 1.5 billion members, 5,800 Bishops, and half a million Priests, actually operates and is governed. To read here and on other sites some of the things allegedly and supposedly done with the direct knowledge of or carried out at the personal and explicit command and behest of the Holy Father - especially with regard to local issues like the one about the Bishop who is the “Co-Prince” of a small State huddled between Spain and France, which are beneath his direct attention and are handled and decided by a Curial Dicastery or the Vatican Secretariat of State - is simply laughable.
Dr Bobus
That's SOP with episcopal nominations. The exception is when the pope is explicitly involved. One was when O'Connor was named to NY. Bernardin was pushing for his man.
chris griffin
I praise John Paul II for Evangelium Vitae (The Gospel of Life) which infallibly elevated the condemnation of abortion to the same authority as the founding of the Catholic Church by Christ and all the Marian dogmas.