Those Traditionalists! “What I am Saying Is Not Absurd” - Francis
Francis erupted in a rant when asked at a May 19 meeting with Jesuit editors whether he sees “signs of new life” in the Church. He admitted that “it is very difficult” to see them when “using very …More
Francis erupted in a rant when asked at a May 19 meeting with Jesuit editors whether he sees “signs of new life” in the Church.
He admitted that “it is very difficult” to see them when “using very old-fashioned [= realistic] schemes,” so “we must renew [= manipulate] our way of seeing reality.”
In Europe, for Francis there is renewal in “spontaneous things” like “movements, groups, new bishops who remember that there is a [failed] Council behind them.”
Francis believes that some bishops remember best “the Council of Trent” – as if this were a crime. “It is not an absurdity what I am saying," he added.
He claims that since Vatican II “restorationism has come to gag the Council” and presents a stab-in-the-back myth complaining that the number of “restorationist groups” is “staggering,” especially in the US. “Restorers” are for Francis those who “never accepted the [failed] Council.” Does he mean Germany or Holland?
Francis sees “signs of renewal” in abstract “groups that through social or …More
He admitted that “it is very difficult” to see them when “using very old-fashioned [= realistic] schemes,” so “we must renew [= manipulate] our way of seeing reality.”
In Europe, for Francis there is renewal in “spontaneous things” like “movements, groups, new bishops who remember that there is a [failed] Council behind them.”
Francis believes that some bishops remember best “the Council of Trent” – as if this were a crime. “It is not an absurdity what I am saying," he added.
He claims that since Vatican II “restorationism has come to gag the Council” and presents a stab-in-the-back myth complaining that the number of “restorationist groups” is “staggering,” especially in the US. “Restorers” are for Francis those who “never accepted the [failed] Council.” Does he mean Germany or Holland?
Francis sees “signs of renewal” in abstract “groups that through social or …More
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la verdad prevalece
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So what Jorge means is that the implementation of his apostasy in rebellion against God's Laws and against the teachings of the Church is for him the implementation of Vatican II
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Bergoglio is creating a Parasitic Sect in the name of the heretical and schismatic interpretation of Vatican II
Boff himself acknowledges that Bergoglio has broken with the Church and calls him the 'Pope of Rupture'. The heresiarch Boff even publicly acknowledges that this rupture, that is, this heretical and schismatic application of Vatican II, was rejected by Pope Benedict XVI and Pope John Paul …More
Bergoglio is creating a Parasitic Sect in the name of the heretical and schismatic interpretation of Vatican II
Boff himself acknowledges that Bergoglio has broken with the Church and calls him the 'Pope of Rupture'. The heresiarch Boff even publicly acknowledges that this rupture, that is, this heretical and schismatic application of Vatican II, was rejected by Pope Benedict XVI and Pope John Paul II. This means that Bergoglio is a schismatic who has separated from the True Catholic Church but as a parasite is feeding on it.
Boff himself acknowledges that Bergoglio has broken with the Church and calls him the 'Pope of Rupture'. The heresiarch Boff even publicly acknowledges that this rupture, that is, this heretical and schismatic application of Vatican II, was rejected by Pope Benedict XVI and Pope John Paul II. This means that Bergoglio is a schismatic who has separated from the True Catholic Church but as a parasite is feeding on it.
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Even the diocesan priests who confronted Jorge's heresies with the Church Magisterium and the Church Fathers and all the previous popes, also showed that Bergoglio contradicted Pope John XXIII, Pope Paul VI, Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI. And he contradicted Vatican II en-denzingerbergoglio.com/who-judges-francis/vatican-council-ii/
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To prove to those modernists who believed that the Church began at Age Zero with Vatican II, like Bergoglio he has even broken away from Vatican II.
The prophet Daniel described the anti-church as a little horn, which "cast the Truth to the ground."
The prophet Daniel described the anti-church as a little horn, which "cast the Truth to the ground."
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They talk all the time about "the teaching of Vatican II" but of course, don't you dare ask anything specific about what particular "teaching" that might be. Because of this right here. You have to "accept Vatican II" as if it's a dogma, but they won't tell you what it is.
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By using the term "restorers", the modernists are admitting that there is a discontinuity with the Church before the council.
Rand Miller
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What he is saying is not absurd, it's demonic.
Tony Smith
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"The biggest devils for Francis are “the traditionalists” [= Catholics] who are blooming unlike Francis’ overaged council ideologists." - Well said.
Jeffrey Ade
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@Tony M You got that right! As if what he says is timely?
"Francis is nostalgic for the 1960s (“post-conciliar period”) – when sexual abuses skyrocketed." 1) Abuses skyrocketed in the 70s and 80s, not the 60s. 2) Is Francis nostalgic for the 60s because there were more abuses? Of course, not. Don't even hint at that. There is more than enough to criticize Francis for without baseless insinuations.
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@Wilma Lopez if he wrote that, Yes quite instructive.
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Francis’ remarks about the loyalty of Fr Pedro Arrupe to Pope Paul VI are instructive.
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"Restorer" - Let's look forward to the day when the precious treasures that were taken from us are restored to their full glory.
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Francis claims traditionalist Catholics ‘non-acceptance’ of Vatican II is the Church’s ‘current problem’
De Profundis
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What does it mean to "accept" a pastoral Council? This has never been properly explained.
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Remember that
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Yikes! ![😱](/emoji/f09f98b1)
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Francis: "Restorationism has come to gag the Council. The number of groups of ‘restorers’ — for example, in the United States there are many — is significant.”
Francis needs to understand:
** There is no mandate for vernacular liturgy in Vat II.
** Neither is there any Vat II mention of mass facing the people
There are, however, texts that can be used to justify both of the above . . .
Just as there also are texts that can be used to justify the SSPX position on liturgy.More
Francis needs to understand:
** There is no mandate for vernacular liturgy in Vat II.
** Neither is there any Vat II mention of mass facing the people
There are, however, texts that can be used to justify both of the above . . .
Just as there also are texts that can be used to justify the SSPX position on liturgy.
** There is no mandate for vernacular liturgy in Vat II.
** Neither is there any Vat II mention of mass facing the people
There are, however, texts that can be used to justify both of the above . . .
Just as there also are texts that can be used to justify the SSPX position on liturgy.
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I'm flattered by the term "restorers."