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Another Vatican Paper Tiger Against German Apostasy

Cardinal Pietro Parolin has told the German bishops that there will be no discussion of women's ordination and a change in the Church's teaching on homosexuality at meetings with delegates of the German Synodal Way in Rome (DieTagespost.de, November 11).

The October 23 note suddenly regards the male priesthood and the sinfulness of homosexual acts as non-negotiable.

In October, the German bishops held another meeting with several heads of dicasteries. These talks will continue in 2024.

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myunkie
The Synodal meetings in Rome are not to make decisions on church “policy” (One could use “theology” there but let’s be serious, there is neither “theo” or “logos” in these proceedings.) but to come to the conclusion that local Synods will be the ones who determine local church “policy.” An official finding in favor of sodomy or women priests would split the church but we have already seen that …More
The Synodal meetings in Rome are not to make decisions on church “policy” (One could use “theology” there but let’s be serious, there is neither “theo” or “logos” in these proceedings.) but to come to the conclusion that local Synods will be the ones who determine local church “policy.” An official finding in favor of sodomy or women priests would split the church but we have already seen that a faithful diocese can tolerate gay blessings in the next diocese over, even within the same country. That is why Pope Francis, in his original intervention, asked the Germans to “wait.” The Germans fear that Francis will not live another year, so they will not wait.

Synodality is the opening of the floodgates for each diocese to determine the best way to “accompany” its own “community”. The result is that remaining faithful will vote with their feet, either across diocese boundaries or join a gym. The One Catholic and Apostolic Church will survive, but separate from the Synodal church.
Kenjiro M. Yoshimori
Seeing is believing. If punative action is done against these Germans, I have to admit my opinion of Francis will change for the better.....a little bit. But I doubt it unfortunatly.
Rafał_Ovile
These papers are smokescreen for the real consequences of "Synodality" revealed in Germany...
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The Vatican has told German bishops that women priests and Church teaching on homosexual acts are not up for discussion in talks scheduled for next year.
Simon North
Classic Hegelian employment of "thesis, antithesis, synthesis" that has been used in every Marxist revolutionary system. Change the dogma of homosexuality as a perversion which excludes from the Kingdom (thesis), then permit blessings of "homosexual unions," (antithesis) and anticipate the emergence of historical compromise (synthesis). The same method will occur with "women's ordination."These are …More
Classic Hegelian employment of "thesis, antithesis, synthesis" that has been used in every Marxist revolutionary system. Change the dogma of homosexuality as a perversion which excludes from the Kingdom (thesis), then permit blessings of "homosexual unions," (antithesis) and anticipate the emergence of historical compromise (synthesis). The same method will occur with "women's ordination."These are evil beings occupying the sacred office of Holy Church.
SonoftheChurch
Much too little, much too late. As usual, the Vatican is a dollar short and a day late. Germany let the cat out of the bag about sodomy and rogue priestesses moons ago, without the least bit of correction nor concern by the Apostolic See. Now that the German hierarchy is in full Luther-ized schism, seeking, like their nation’s heretic Father of Damnable Apostasy, to run roughshod over the immutable …More
Much too little, much too late. As usual, the Vatican is a dollar short and a day late. Germany let the cat out of the bag about sodomy and rogue priestesses moons ago, without the least bit of correction nor concern by the Apostolic See. Now that the German hierarchy is in full Luther-ized schism, seeking, like their nation’s heretic Father of Damnable Apostasy, to run roughshod over the immutable and infallible Doctrines and Dogmas of the Faith in their insane quest to obliterate Holy Mother Church, someone in Rome deemed it prudent to attach an ambiguous “note” to a letter from the Secretary of State. Utter BS…I’ll believe it when I see it enforced. But that is highly unlikely, since the priority these days seem to be kicking out faithful, holy, devout Bishops who love God and His Church, and take seriously their vow as Shepherds to feed and protect the Flock.
Kenjiro M. Yoshimori
I read this letter from Parolin, and it sounds surprisingly firm and final regarding two issues which the Germans flaunt in the face of the Church, the heretical idea of women priests, and the gross and grave immorality of approval of homosexuality.
It sounds firm to me. I hope when they actually have their sit-down meetings later with these heretic Germans, that these points and others are driven …More
I read this letter from Parolin, and it sounds surprisingly firm and final regarding two issues which the Germans flaunt in the face of the Church, the heretical idea of women priests, and the gross and grave immorality of approval of homosexuality.
It sounds firm to me. I hope when they actually have their sit-down meetings later with these heretic Germans, that these points and others are driven home harder, including with threats of dismissal from the episcopate for the lot of them.
There was something, not done for humdreds of years, that Popes did to nations, or people who were heretics or expressed heretical ideas, and that was Papal Interdict. But that hasn't been done in 800+ years. This was a good letter basically. I just hope heretic Francis doesn't backstab Parolin, or start saying the opposite than whan the letter contains when he meats the Germans.
I'd like the Germans to come away from these meetings disillusioned, angry, and severely disciplined and threated with more for non-complaince to tradition and Church teachings. I doubt it, but that would be great. I'd like the meetings to destroy the Germans whole idea of a "Synodal Church".
Novena - Oremus
Words... will the stop German homosex blessings?
Kenjiro M. Yoshimori
Yes, if followed by strong disciplinary action. If I was a priest (and I'm glad I never had any thought of that), I would totally disobey Bergoglio. He says give blessings to gays and welcome TRANS, I would do the opposite and preach against them as the freaks and sodomites they are.
john333
Snake and chameleon (weathervane)
P. O'B
This on the heels of Francis's dining with transgender prostitutes. Two steps forward, one back.
P. O'B
I have read that Cardinal Parolin is very papabile. He may be playing the moderate here, to boost his chances.
Kenjiro M. Yoshimori
Wouldn't that be awful, for Parolin to present himself as rather orthodox, get elected Pope, and then be the same or worse than Francis? I would not trust him at all. And especially not homo loving Zuppi. I still think the coming conclave and election will be a surprise, and a good one for faithful/traditional Catholics. He might not be a 100% traditionalist new Pope, but he would be very supportive …More
Wouldn't that be awful, for Parolin to present himself as rather orthodox, get elected Pope, and then be the same or worse than Francis? I would not trust him at all. And especially not homo loving Zuppi. I still think the coming conclave and election will be a surprise, and a good one for faithful/traditional Catholics. He might not be a 100% traditionalist new Pope, but he would be very supportive of it, and would quickly recind the "Francis" agenda. He also would initiate I would be willing to believe, a real Vatican housecleaning......out with the Francis homos, and in with people who may not be totally "conservative/orthodox", but they will be more so than in recent memory...and Tucho Fernandez would definitly be headed back to Argentina jobless.
P. O'B
Kenjiro, I have some hope that your optimism about the next pope is well-founded.
Kenjiro M. Yoshimori
I'd like to be optomistic and think that "Cardinal Pietro Parolin has told the German bishops that there will be no discussion of women's ordination and a change in the Church's teaching on homosexuality at meetings with delegates of the German Synodal Way in Rome (DieTagespost.de, November 11).
The October 23 note suddenly regards the male priesthood and the sinfulness of homosexual acts as non …
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I'd like to be optomistic and think that "Cardinal Pietro Parolin has told the German bishops that there will be no discussion of women's ordination and a change in the Church's teaching on homosexuality at meetings with delegates of the German Synodal Way in Rome (DieTagespost.de, November 11).
The October 23 note suddenly regards the male priesthood and the sinfulness of homosexual acts as non-negotiable."

this maybe a hopeful sing of a turning point against the "German Synodal Way", and perhaps the whole "Synodal Church". I doubt if there will be women deacons. Regarding gay blessings, it was never authorized (just supposed), and I hope it never is allowed. Francis just likes to be "nice" to these perverts, showing the Church as "pastoral". But I hope the Church would never officially condone blessings for gays, or acceptance of TRANS.
If it were to turn out otherwise, then it could safely be said that the Roman Catholic Church no longer exists, expect in the SSPX and other traditionalist and/or sede vacantist traditional Catholic groups.
Wouldn't it be great, in the end of all this with the Germans, that Francis and the Vatican issued a condemnation of the German agenda, surprising the world and the faithful.
Considering the tsunami of a backlash against it(the German/Synodal agenda) that is mounting i the Church, I would not be surprised if Francis and the Vatican see the impossibility of that agenda and instead of fostering it and promoting it, they clamp down on the Germans and others and condemn it. THat would be a great surprise! If that happens, Francis' papacy perhaps would not leave behind the terrible negative and destructive legacy that it has engendered up until now.
DefendTruth
Francis isn’t into women’s ordination, not keen on gays, so all they’ll get at most is non-ordained ‘deaconesses’ and turning a blind eye to gay blessings that have been happening for years anyway.
SonoftheChurch
Someone should post the full English translation of the document.
Sally Dorman
A quick machine translation of the full text of the Roman note rejecting German errors on ordination and sexuality.
Wilma Lopez
"Another issue on which a local Church has no possibility of taking a different view concerns homosexual acts. For even if one recognizes that from a subjective point of view there may be various factors that call us not to judge people, this in no way changes the evaluation of the objective morality of these acts."