Dean of Cardinals Declares War on Cardinal Zen
In a letter, the Dean of the Cardinals Giovanni Battista Re warned all cardinals of Hong Kong Cardinal Joseph Zen, 88. The letter (here) was leaked to AldoMariaValli.it (February 29). It discredits …More
In a letter, the Dean of the Cardinals Giovanni Battista Re warned all cardinals of Hong Kong Cardinal Joseph Zen, 88.
The letter (here) was leaked to AldoMariaValli.it (February 29). It discredits Zen’s September 2019 epistle to all cardinals by which he criticises Francis’ secret deal with the Chinese regime.
This is Re’s first official act as a dean (protocol number 1/2020). Without producing any evidence, he claims that there is continuity between Francis and Benedict XVI regarding the Communist appointment of bishops. In reality, Benedict refused the deal that later was signed by Francis.
Re explains that the Chinese State church is not “independent” anymore in an absolute sense as the deal allows the Pope to participate in nominating bishops. In other words: The Chinese church is simultaneously “independent” and “in communion” with Rome.
Valli stresses that Re’s claims implies an aberrant ecclesiology, concluding that Rome is even willing to change the doctrine in order to please …More
The letter (here) was leaked to AldoMariaValli.it (February 29). It discredits Zen’s September 2019 epistle to all cardinals by which he criticises Francis’ secret deal with the Chinese regime.
This is Re’s first official act as a dean (protocol number 1/2020). Without producing any evidence, he claims that there is continuity between Francis and Benedict XVI regarding the Communist appointment of bishops. In reality, Benedict refused the deal that later was signed by Francis.
Re explains that the Chinese State church is not “independent” anymore in an absolute sense as the deal allows the Pope to participate in nominating bishops. In other words: The Chinese church is simultaneously “independent” and “in communion” with Rome.
Valli stresses that Re’s claims implies an aberrant ecclesiology, concluding that Rome is even willing to change the doctrine in order to please …More
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And yet, and I'm going to scandalize you, Re is right: indeed, Bergoglio's predecessors were in the same direction as him, but in a camouflaged way. I've explained it in green here: THE CHINA/HEADQUARTERS AGREEMENT MUST BE PUBLISHED Il FAUT RENDRE PUBLIC l’ACCORD CHINE/SAINT-SIÈGE : catholique.forumactif.com/t703-news-au-1er-mars-2020
There hasn't been a 100% real pope since vatii took over, and Francis is the embodiment of all so called popes, with a personal contribution of his own. He Francis has done all the heretical crap that his vatii predecessors have done. Francis's contribution is the abandonment of Chinese Catholics the reallocation of a homosexual to the clergy the embracing of lgbtqia, because who is he to judge, …More
There hasn't been a 100% real pope since vatii took over, and Francis is the embodiment of all so called popes, with a personal contribution of his own. He Francis has done all the heretical crap that his vatii predecessors have done. Francis's contribution is the abandonment of Chinese Catholics the reallocation of a homosexual to the clergy the embracing of lgbtqia, because who is he to judge, not to mention the confusion he has created with the, non answering of the Dubia. He maybe pope, but as we have had them in the past he is a heretical pope.
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Maybe Cardinal Zen knows a little more about who's really pope than you do, Thors Catholic Hammer Ever consider that? ;-)
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@Ultraviolet
You are the poster who truly believes that a “pope” called “francis “ can publicly and formally repudiate the 1st &, 2nd Commandments of God plus the three Church sacraments of Penance, Eucharist and Matrimony.
You declare out daily your undying loyalty and support for this man and calumniate anybody who dare suggest he is a fraud.
Like Bergoglio, the man you defend daily, you too …More
@Ultraviolet
You are the poster who truly believes that a “pope” called “francis “ can publicly and formally repudiate the 1st &, 2nd Commandments of God plus the three Church sacraments of Penance, Eucharist and Matrimony.
You declare out daily your undying loyalty and support for this man and calumniate anybody who dare suggest he is a fraud.
Like Bergoglio, the man you defend daily, you too have rejected Christ..
You are the poster who truly believes that a “pope” called “francis “ can publicly and formally repudiate the 1st &, 2nd Commandments of God plus the three Church sacraments of Penance, Eucharist and Matrimony.
You declare out daily your undying loyalty and support for this man and calumniate anybody who dare suggest he is a fraud.
Like Bergoglio, the man you defend daily, you too have rejected Christ..
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"You declare out daily your undying loyalty and support for this man"
That's another lie, Thors Catholic Hammer This time I'm going to cut and paste...
I have repeatedly explained the difference between recognizing Francis is Pope and disliking everything he does. Many Cardinals do the same, Burke, Sarah and Zen among them, not to mention Archbishop Vigano.
We've covered this often enough But …More
"You declare out daily your undying loyalty and support for this man"
That's another lie, Thors Catholic Hammer This time I'm going to cut and paste...
I have repeatedly explained the difference between recognizing Francis is Pope and disliking everything he does. Many Cardinals do the same, Burke, Sarah and Zen among them, not to mention Archbishop Vigano.
We've covered this often enough But you keep repeating a claim you know is false, This is why I call you a liar. It isn't becuase of "hatreds" or "disagreemnents". Those are more lies you use to paint yourself as a victim.. I call you a liar because you tell deliberate falsehoods, that's why.
You also repeat your lies in a deliberate attempt to defame and misrepresent my views.
That's another lie, Thors Catholic Hammer This time I'm going to cut and paste...
I have repeatedly explained the difference between recognizing Francis is Pope and disliking everything he does. Many Cardinals do the same, Burke, Sarah and Zen among them, not to mention Archbishop Vigano.
We've covered this often enough But you keep repeating a claim you know is false, This is why I call you a liar. It isn't becuase of "hatreds" or "disagreemnents". Those are more lies you use to paint yourself as a victim.. I call you a liar because you tell deliberate falsehoods, that's why.
You also repeat your lies in a deliberate attempt to defame and misrepresent my views.
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Unfortunately Card.Zen continues to recognize an antipope in the person of the excommunicated Jorge Bergoglio.
One would have hoped for a little more discernment .
Ah well.
One would have hoped for a little more discernment .
Ah well.
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The ‘merciful’ Vatican is terrorizing the 88-year-old Cardinal Zen for standing in defense of our persecuted brothers and sisters in Communist China.
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Apply your standards uniformly, Thors Catholic Hammer or not at all. Zen was appointed Bishop by JPII and made Cardinal by Benedict XVI. and other critics just as nutty as you claim they're anti-popes also. Your condemnation of "Amoris Laetitia" has been said about JPII's "Domine Jesus".
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A REAL BATTLE THE FALSE church AGAINST OUR CATHOLIC CHURCH.
GOD BLESS CARDINAL ZEN.
GOD BLESS CARDINAL ZEN.
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Cardinal Re and makes some serious claims about the Sino-Holy See Agreement; says it was rubber stamped by Benedict XVI, and calls the church in China “an independent Church” that is no longer separated from the Pope.
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Since all appointments made by antipope francis , including this dean, are illicit , the letter to Zen has no authority.
He will and quite rightly, ignore it completely.
He will and quite rightly, ignore it completely.