You are referring to the liturgical mozzetta.

Francis -does- wear the lighter mozzetta that is part of the white Papal simar.

...and with good reason. It is a symbol of his jurisdictional authority.

More importantly,for the same reason, Benedict does not.
pic related.

What is wrong with you? Direct quote from the site I just linked "The simar is a Roman Catholic garment similar in design to a plain cassock, but with a shoulder cape."

I've dealt with people like you before. The last one was a Pole, too.... Rafal-something. Time for some official press releases...

--As for his apparel, the pope emeritus will wear a simple white cassock without the mozzetta (the short cape that covers his shoulders).--
www.ncregister.com/daily-news/pope-benedicts-…

--Benedict, the first pope to resign voluntarily in six centuries, will dress in a simple white cassock, forgoing the mozzetta, the elbow-length cape worn by some Catholic clergymen, the Vatican spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, told reporters at a news briefing.--
www.nytimes.com/…/benedict-xvi-to…

-Benedict XVI will be “Pontiff emeritus” or “Pope emeritus”, as Fr. Federico Lombardi, S.J., director of the Holy See Press Office, reported in a press conference on th final days of the current pontificate. He will keep the name of 'His Holiness, Benedict XVI' and will dress in a simple white cassock without the mozzetta (elbow-length cape)"--
church.mt/benedict-xvi-wi…

That isn't my "private language". That is a quote from the official Vatican spokesman and cited on the official website of the Archiocese of Malta.

Simply put, you are out of your depth. You tried this stupid word-game the last time and it didn't work. You should have learned your lesson the first time. This is why "Polish" jokes are always about someone being stubborn and stupid.

I do understand what you are trying to do. ;-)

You want confuse things just like you want to confuse who is truly Pope. I understand your little tricks perfectly.

We are BOTH referring to the white 'elbow-length shoulder cape' that Benedict no longer wears because he isn't Pope.

He doesn't wear it because he isn't Pope anymore. He isn't Pope anymore because he resigned.

There isn't anything "doubtful" about it at all. Just look at the picture I posted. I can post several more. But I've posted enough. Catholic websites, a direct quote from the Vatican's official spokesman, photos. All supporting what I say.

You, however, have posted nothing. You never do. You make claims with no facts, no proof. All you are is hot air, verbal flatulence to be exact.

It's time for you to start supporting YOUR claims.Let us begin with "the shoulder cape"

Post a photo of Benedict wearing the white cassock and white shoulder-cape in the presence of Pope Francis.

A photo of both men together, a photo like the one I posted, except with Benedict wearing the "shoulder cape".

The Pope wears it. Benedict does not because he is not Pope any more.You either post the photo or you are wrong.

Also. link the website where the photo appears. Someone like you WOULD try Photo-Shop once you get desperate.

No more arguments, no more haggling over terms, find the photo and post it with the URL of the site where you found it.

Any reply from you without the required photo and site URL is an admission that you're wrong.

MFW... people like you.

@Ultraviolet
No you were referring to a mozzetta - as the Papal garment which Ratzinger does not wear thus showing, according to you he is not a Pope. Which is wrong because Bergoglio also does not wear one. Now you try to the "game rules" and start to talk about the "cape". OK, so be it.
You claim that the white pellegrina is a separate article from the white cassock though it seems to me undetachable, OK - no problem, let's suppose it. I'll return to my first argument: who wears in the Church a white-buttoned cassock? Is there any other dignity in the Church connected with one? A bishop? A cardinal? A common priest?
No, only the Pope. So, returning to your statement "He doesn't dress like the Pope":
1) you are wrong - he dresses like one, wearing the white-buttoned cassock, a part of the garment reserved for the Pope.
2) Note, that you have admitted that the Pope does not need to wear all parts of traditional garments (e.g. mozzetta).
3) If Bergoglio (as the presumable pope in the "notorious errors do not matter" theory) does not need to wear a mozzetta (one part of the papal garments) and he does not show us here (by not wearing it) that he is not a Pope , then following the same line of argumentation: Ratzinger (as the presumable pope in the benevacantist theory) also does not need to wear a pellegrina to be the Pope. Therefore, wearing the pellegrina seems to be irrelevant.

The valid remaining question is: why? why does Ratzinger still dress in the white-buttoned cassock and sow confusion (e.g. scenes with two men in white in public even giving their joint blessing) if he resigned and is no Pope at all?
Nb. the whole so-called "pope emeritus" thing is uncanonical, there is no such dignity in the Church and there is no super-ordination for popes. The papal election and entrance into the Petrine Office is not another ordination, in history popes were coronated, not consecrated - so the bishop who loses his diocese, e.g. because of his age, remains one, the pope who loses his office ceases to be one.

I see you didn't post a photo supporting your claim the way I asked. You can't, you won't, everything else from you after this is noise just hide that fact.

I'll play along, because you can't supply the evidence you need to prove your claim. I can, I did.

"No you were referring to a mozzetta - as the Papal garment which Ratzinger does not wear thus showing, according to you he is not a Pope."

I just -happen- to be quoting the Vatican Spokesman referring to that same mozzetta. Fancy that.

"Which is wrong because Bergoglio also does not wear one."

Which is wrong and contradicted by the photo. My photo.

Once again, you're not posting any photos of your own because you're wrong. That isn't "game rules", that's basic lack of any visual support for the claim you are making.

I can post a photo supporting my claim because I am right. You can not post a photo supporting your claim because you are wrong. It -is- that simple.

The only "game" here is you trying to hide behind your bad Egnlish and the complex terminology surrounding the vestments themselves..

When the Vatican spokesman Fr. Lombardi said, "He will keep the name of 'His Holiness, Benedict XVI' and will dress in a simple white cassock without the mozzetta (elbow-length cape)"

...that is what you see in the photo.

Simple white cassock. No mozzetta. Pope Francis is wearing one. Benedict is not. The photo supports my claim. The Vatican spokesman's news interview supports my claim.

Your claim? Nothing, except for a round of failed logic.

"I'll return to my first argument: who wears in the Church a white-buttoned cassock?"

That isn't an argument. That's a question, possibly a rhetorical one, no less. ;-)

"Is there any other dignity in the Church connected with one? A bishop? A cardinal? A common priest? No, only the Pope."

I'm bolding this so it doesn't get "lost" in my reply. That isn't an argument either. It is a rhetorical question followed by an answer. It is a premise and it is...

Wrong.. Priests can and DO wear white cassocks.

"A priest's cassock is usually black although white is sometimes used in tropical climates. "

www.ewtn.com/…/wearing-the-cas…

Oh. And the Norbertines.

"On any typical weekend, the white cassock-clad priests of the Norbertine order from St. Michael’s Abbey in southern California preach in about 35 parishes"

www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/norbertines-lau…

There's a photo of 'em too.:D

Even seminarians wear white as well.

Here is a charming seminarian blog entry on the subject. Also includes a photo.

seminariansmusing.blogspot.com/2014/05/of-cassocks.html

I point out to you the photo caption: "Seminarians of the Archdiocese of Lipa wearing cassocks"

Check the colour. :D

And just so there isn't any possible doubt, at the bottom, the seminarian writer thanks his fellow seminarian blogger saying, "And a special tip of the hat and kind regards to fellow admin Nico, who recently obtained a new white cassock..."

Therefore, your "argument" fails. Entirely.

You also just contradicted yourself. "A part of" is not the whole. You're making a fallacy of composition.

If Benedict wears civilian clothes and only a white skull cap he is not "dressing like the Pope" just because he wears "part of" the Papal vestments.

A Norbertine or even a lowly seminarian isn't "dressing like the Pope" either just because he wears a white cassock.

The problem here is you don't know what you're talking about.

The Vatican itself has already established and explained Benedict's new title and the differences between his clothing in retirement and the official Papal uniform.

You simply refuse to accept that the same way you refuse to accept Benedict's own repeated declarations that he resigned.

"2) Note, that you have admitted that the Pope does not need to wear all parts of traditional garments (e.g. mozzetta)."

Quote me directly. Don't "summarize" what I've said.

"3) If Bergoglio (as the presumable pope in the "notorious errors do not matter" theory)"

First, stick to your argument without digressing into parenthetical irrelevancies.

"and he does not show us here (by not wearing it) that he is not a Pope"

Second, he -is- wearing the mozzetta and Benedict is not. Are you blind? The buttons on the garment are visible in the photo!

"Ratzinger (as the presumable pope in the benevacantist theory) also does not need to wear a pellegrina to be the Pope."

Again, parenthetical irrelevancies and your argument fails because your second premise if false.

"The valid remaining question is: why? why does Ratzinger still dress in the white-buttoned cassock and sow confusion"

The answer to your "valid remaining question" is simple. He isn't sowing any confusion at all. YOU are. You and all the other nay-sayers who choose to ignore the visible differences between their modes of dress.

Benedict himself has already explained this in an apparently vain effort to refute the confusion people like you insist on perpetuating.

Direct quote:

"I continue to wear the white cassock and kept the name Benedict for purely practical reasons. At the moment of my resignation there were no other clothes available."

www.ncregister.com/…/benedict-xvi-qu…

There is your answer, direct from the man himself. He also elaborates:

"In any case, I wear the white cassock in a visibly different way to how the Pope wears it."

...and that's supported by the photo, my photo, as well. No capey-cape flappin' busily about his shoulders! No indeed. The POPE has it. Benedict does not.

Also worth pointing out Benedict

a.) again stated he resigned referencing "the moment of my resignation"

b.) also drew a distinction between himself and the Pope. Very important, that.

As in, someone else is the Pope and he is not.

All of which is consistent to everything I've presented thus far.

"(e.g. scenes with two men in white in public even giving their joint blessing) if he resigned and is no Pope at all?"

Benedict hasn't been laicized. He is still entitled to give blessings..

"Nb. the whole so-called "pope emeritus" thing is uncanonical,"

Quote Canon Law prohibiting the existence of a Pope Emeritus. Cite title, chapter, section. In law there is a maxim "nulla poena sine lege" (i.e. "no punishment without a law")

In international law, it is called the Lotus principle after a then-famous nautical case:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_case

Quoting wiki verbatim people: "may act in any way they wish so long as they do not contravene an explicit prohibition."

So if you wish to claim this title is "unCanonical" you must quote Canon Law explicitly prohibiting it.

You won't because you can't. Just like you won't post a photo of Benedict wearing his mozzetta in the presence of Pope Francis wearing his own for the same reason.

Instead what you WILL do is continue to deflect the discussion away from the fact you are flat-out wrong on every point you have raised.

You are wrong on the term mozzetta.

You are wrong in claiming only the Pope wears a white cassock.

You are wrong on the supposed "doubtful" nature of his resignation.

You are wrong on Canon law.

You are wrong because you don't know what you are talking about and you are too stubborn to admit it.

"there is no such dignity in the Church and there is no super-ordination for popes."

The former exists regardless of your opinion, already shown to be an uneducated one, even counting only your latest mistakes regarding white cassocks and Canon law. You haven't shown anything in support of this latest claim

Don't even try.

Instead, please do what I asked.

Go find a photo of Benedict and Francis in the same scene both wearing the full Papal vestments, both wearing the same type of shoulder covering.

After that, You need to post a photo of Benedict where he's still wearing his Papal ring, a photo dated after his resignation. :D

@Ultraviolet Language aficionado? A Swahili - my country of origin’s lingua franca- saying for you:

“Wakosanao ndio wapatanao”

Mother would sing: “Great is our God and Holy is his Name .”