Rigidity: US Nuncio Forces Mass Into Gyms
US nuncio Christophe Pierre has summoned Los Angeles Archbishop José Gomez and Orange Bishop Kevin Vann to interrogate them about their alleged "non-compliance" with Traditionis Custodes, writes …More
US nuncio Christophe Pierre has summoned Los Angeles Archbishop José Gomez and Orange Bishop Kevin Vann to interrogate them about their alleged "non-compliance" with Traditionis Custodes, writes CrisisMagazine.com (September 12).
As a result, the Mass at St Mary's by the Sea parish, Huntington Beach, was suppressed.
In Los Angeles, all Masses must be moved to gyms.
Francis will soon "reward" Pierre with the cardinal's hat. In today's Church, being appointed a cardinal is tantamount to an insult.
Picture: Christophe Pierre © wikipedia CC BY-SA, #newsQnxvdzhsop
As a result, the Mass at St Mary's by the Sea parish, Huntington Beach, was suppressed.
In Los Angeles, all Masses must be moved to gyms.
Francis will soon "reward" Pierre with the cardinal's hat. In today's Church, being appointed a cardinal is tantamount to an insult.
Picture: Christophe Pierre © wikipedia CC BY-SA, #newsQnxvdzhsop
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Papal Nuncio Christophe Pierre's Role in Pressuring Bishops to Cancel Latin Masses
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When this soon to be cardinal comes at bishops with this demand, why don't they, instead of cowering like sheep , shaking in their shoes and obeying....just tell him and Francis to "Go ---- yourself".
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If these are the tactics being used, any honorable bishop would politely decline the unwarranted intrusion on his authority, and refuse to resign if asked. Make them force the issue, and make sure everyone knows the reasons why. Let them expose themselves.
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The following extract is taken from the book “The Secret of Melanie and the Actual Crisis” by her Friend and Confessor, Abbot Combe, 1906:
“The Church will be eclipsed. At first, we will not know which is the true Pope. Then secondly, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass will cease to be offered in Churches and Houses; it will be such that, for a time, there will not be public services any more. But I …More
The following extract is taken from the book “The Secret of Melanie and the Actual Crisis” by her Friend and Confessor, Abbot Combe, 1906:
“The Church will be eclipsed. At first, we will not know which is the true Pope. Then secondly, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass will cease to be offered in Churches and Houses; it will be such that, for a time, there will not be public services any more. But I see that the Holy Sacrifice has not really ceased: it will be offered in barns, in alcoves, in caves, and underground.”
......Melanie might as well have included the word "Gym" - don't you think?
NB When Melanie spoke of "The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass" she was referring to what the Church has already DEFINED as " Mass" . It is The Tridentine Mass. The Latin Mass is Dogmatically declared to BE the Mass of the Roman Catholic Church within Magisterial Documents .
a)The documents relating to the Mass of the Council of Trent and
b) The Papal Bull "Quo Primum" of Pope (St) Pius V 1570
"QP" declared that a new Mass from that date forward,(1570)
will be prohibited. It also declares that no other Missal but that which Pope Pius C has just released can ever be used within the Church. The wording of the Bull also states that NOBODY can ever prohibit a Priest from Celebrating the Latin Mass. If someone disobeys the Order at any point in the future of the Church, the wrath of The Lord will fall on them.
According to Fr Hesse (Canon Lawyer RIP), The Council of Trent and the Bull "Quo Primum" have defined (eternally) for the Church what constitutes "The Mass". The Tridentine Rite can never be prohibited as it is protected forever by"Quo Primum". Thus, a new rite and a New Missal (as the document states) is prohibited. Fr Hesse said that when somebody defies the Sacred Magisterium by forcing the entire Church to celebrate a different Liturgy - they are creating a new schismatic church.
Our Lord clearly foresaw a New Mass being (illegally) created. He saw also that it would create a a new set of Priests which were different to the Priesthood that had existed since He founded the Church .
November 27, 1902 and then again on May 10, 1904
Our Lord said to Mystic Marie Julie Jahenny
“I give you a WARNING. The disciples who are not of My Gospel are now working hard to remake according to their ideas and under the influence of the enemy of Souls a MASS that contains words that are ODIOUS in my sight. When the fatal hour arrives when the faith of my Priests is put to the test, it will be (these texts) that will be celebrated in this second period.
The First period is the one of My Priesthood which exists since Me. The second is the one of the persecution when the enemies of the Faith and of Holy Religion will impose their formulas in the book of the second celebration. These infamous spirits are those who crucified Me and are awaiting the kingdom of the NEW MESSIAH!”
communityofhopeinc.org/Prayer Pages/Saints/marie julie.html
Quo Primum - Papal Encyclicals
Fr Hesse is on YOUTUBE - he really was an extremely knowledgeable Priest. He studied Canon Law in Rome.
“The Church will be eclipsed. At first, we will not know which is the true Pope. Then secondly, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass will cease to be offered in Churches and Houses; it will be such that, for a time, there will not be public services any more. But I see that the Holy Sacrifice has not really ceased: it will be offered in barns, in alcoves, in caves, and underground.”
......Melanie might as well have included the word "Gym" - don't you think?
NB When Melanie spoke of "The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass" she was referring to what the Church has already DEFINED as " Mass" . It is The Tridentine Mass. The Latin Mass is Dogmatically declared to BE the Mass of the Roman Catholic Church within Magisterial Documents .
a)The documents relating to the Mass of the Council of Trent and
b) The Papal Bull "Quo Primum" of Pope (St) Pius V 1570
"QP" declared that a new Mass from that date forward,(1570)
will be prohibited. It also declares that no other Missal but that which Pope Pius C has just released can ever be used within the Church. The wording of the Bull also states that NOBODY can ever prohibit a Priest from Celebrating the Latin Mass. If someone disobeys the Order at any point in the future of the Church, the wrath of The Lord will fall on them.
According to Fr Hesse (Canon Lawyer RIP), The Council of Trent and the Bull "Quo Primum" have defined (eternally) for the Church what constitutes "The Mass". The Tridentine Rite can never be prohibited as it is protected forever by"Quo Primum". Thus, a new rite and a New Missal (as the document states) is prohibited. Fr Hesse said that when somebody defies the Sacred Magisterium by forcing the entire Church to celebrate a different Liturgy - they are creating a new schismatic church.
Our Lord clearly foresaw a New Mass being (illegally) created. He saw also that it would create a a new set of Priests which were different to the Priesthood that had existed since He founded the Church .
November 27, 1902 and then again on May 10, 1904
Our Lord said to Mystic Marie Julie Jahenny
“I give you a WARNING. The disciples who are not of My Gospel are now working hard to remake according to their ideas and under the influence of the enemy of Souls a MASS that contains words that are ODIOUS in my sight. When the fatal hour arrives when the faith of my Priests is put to the test, it will be (these texts) that will be celebrated in this second period.
The First period is the one of My Priesthood which exists since Me. The second is the one of the persecution when the enemies of the Faith and of Holy Religion will impose their formulas in the book of the second celebration. These infamous spirits are those who crucified Me and are awaiting the kingdom of the NEW MESSIAH!”
communityofhopeinc.org/Prayer Pages/Saints/marie julie.html
Quo Primum - Papal Encyclicals
Fr Hesse is on YOUTUBE - he really was an extremely knowledgeable Priest. He studied Canon Law in Rome.
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@Caroline03 Are these prophetic utterances of Melanie Approved, Authorized and Sanctioned officially by the Church?
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There is a feast day in honour of Our Lady of La Salette.
Melanie Calvert died in full friendship with at least two Bishops
Did you not go to the link I posted from the Fordham University website? It says at the top of the message ".Published by the Shepherdess of La Salette with Imprimatur by Mgr. Bishop of Lecce. That means it has been accepted by a Bishop of the Roman Catholic Church.
If you …More
There is a feast day in honour of Our Lady of La Salette.
Melanie Calvert died in full friendship with at least two Bishops
Did you not go to the link I posted from the Fordham University website? It says at the top of the message ".Published by the Shepherdess of La Salette with Imprimatur by Mgr. Bishop of Lecce. That means it has been accepted by a Bishop of the Roman Catholic Church.
If you read many other prophecies, Those of Blessed Anne Emmerich
for instance, or those known as "The Prophecies of the 20th century to Mother Mariana de Jesus Torres (aka Our Lady of Good Success)
You'll find similar things are said.
Is it so hard for you to believe that they are true?
That is incredible - to be frank!
God Bless.
Melanie Calvert died in full friendship with at least two Bishops
Did you not go to the link I posted from the Fordham University website? It says at the top of the message ".Published by the Shepherdess of La Salette with Imprimatur by Mgr. Bishop of Lecce. That means it has been accepted by a Bishop of the Roman Catholic Church.
If you read many other prophecies, Those of Blessed Anne Emmerich
for instance, or those known as "The Prophecies of the 20th century to Mother Mariana de Jesus Torres (aka Our Lady of Good Success)
You'll find similar things are said.
Is it so hard for you to believe that they are true?
That is incredible - to be frank!
God Bless.
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Sorry, @Caroline03 but what I or any others of the Faithful may personally believe regarding the sayings and utterances of the mystics you clearly favor and regularly cite here has no bearing whatsoever upon the nature and validity of their experiences, nor does it confirm immutably the truthfulness of their words or prophetic insight. I state this because you still haven’t shown where any of what …More
Sorry, @Caroline03 but what I or any others of the Faithful may personally believe regarding the sayings and utterances of the mystics you clearly favor and regularly cite here has no bearing whatsoever upon the nature and validity of their experiences, nor does it confirm immutably the truthfulness of their words or prophetic insight. I state this because you still haven’t shown where any of what you’ve presented actually has the formal and official Approval of the Holy See itself. Which, as you must surely know, is the dogmatically required proof of validity and authenticity for all such experiences and the fruit thereof within Holy Mother Church; NOT the personal, individual opinion of any one prelate from a particular diocese or another, and it has been so determined and well established in Canon Law throughout millennia now. So again, I ask you, has any of what you’ve presented received the official, formal Approval and Sanction of the appropriate, competent, authorized agencies of the Apostolic See itself, in accordance with Canon Law? And if so, when?
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@SonoftheChurch Please don't be silly. If you don't want to - don't read them!
Whether you believe in them or not is strictly between yourself and God. I am nothing to do with it. Seeing as some of them have come true I'll leave you with Acts 5:38-40
You have the same God given free-will as we all do to either believe or disbelieve. Go in peace!
Whether you believe in them or not is strictly between yourself and God. I am nothing to do with it. Seeing as some of them have come true I'll leave you with Acts 5:38-40
You have the same God given free-will as we all do to either believe or disbelieve. Go in peace!
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In other words, the papal nuncio, Christophe Pierre is currently strongarming unwilling American bishops to cancel thriving Latin Masses by backroom pressure tactics.
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So gyms have now become the new catacombs for the faithful, but it is the leaders of the Faith who have banned us there. The irony bleeds.
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Het is tijd voor zuiveringen in de Rooms Katholieke kerk. Leuke klus. Ik heb goed en slecht nieuws, wat wilt u het eerste horen?
Kenjiro M. Yoshimori
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I wiukd type some 4 letter words what I think of Pierre, and Francis but I don't want to get in trouble. 