Cardinal Müller: "There Is No Doubt That Francis Is a Legitimate Pope" - So?
Francis is the elected Pope and there is no opposition from the College of Cardinals, Cardinal Gerhard Müller told Father Serafino Lanzetta on YouTube.com (14 July). Therefore: "There is no doubt that …More
Therefore: "There is no doubt that Francis is a legitimate Pope."
Müller's distraction from the heresies in Francis' Vatican: "Jesus didn't give us the guarantee that bishops and popes always do the best. Only in the case of the dogma ex cathedra is the Pope infallible".
This position virtually reduces papal infallibility to nothing, implying that there was no papal infallibility before its formal declaration in July 1870, and that there is no infallibility outside the very rare cases in which infallibility is formally invoked.
The Cardinal adds that it is a misunderstanding of a Pope's authority "to make him the Oracle of Delphi", which is true, but neither should the Pope be an oracle of nonsense.
Referring to the disputes between Peter and Paul [over whether pagans had to observe Old Testament customs and laws such as …More
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Jorge Mario Bergoglio, S.J.
Episcopal Lineage / Apostolic Succession:
Antonio Cardinal Quarracino † (1962)
Archbishop of Buenos Aires
Bishop Anunciado Serafini † (1935)
Bishop of Mercedes
Archbishop Zenobio Lorenzo Guilland † (1935)
Archbishop of Paraná
Archbishop Filippo Cortesi † (1921)
Titular Archbishop of Siraces
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Episcopal Lineage / Apostolic Succession:
Antonio Cardinal Quarracino † (1962)
Archbishop of Buenos Aires
Bishop Anunciado Serafini † (1935)
Bishop of Mercedes
Archbishop Zenobio Lorenzo Guilland † (1935)
Archbishop of Paraná
Archbishop Filippo Cortesi † (1921)
Titular Archbishop of Siraces
Antonio Cardinal Vico † (1898)
Cardinal-Bishop of Porto e Santa Rufina
Mariano Cardinal Rampolla del Tindaro † (1882)
Cardinal-Priest of Santa Cecilia
Edward Henry Cardinal Howard of Norfolk † (1872)
Cardinal-Priest of Santi Giovanni e Paolo
Carlo Cardinal Sacconi † (1851)
Cardinal-Bishop of Palestrina
Giacomo Filippo Cardinal Fransoni † (1822)
Cardinal-Priest of Santa Maria in Ara Coeli
Pietro Francesco Cardinal Galleffi † (1819)
Cardinal-Bishop of Albano
Alessandro Cardinal Mattei † (1777)
Cardinal-Bishop of Ostia (e Velletri)
Bernardino Cardinal Giraud † (1767)
Cardinal-Priest of Santissima Trinità al Monte Pincio
Pope Clement XIII (1743)
(Carlo della Torre Rezzonico †)
Pope Benedict XIV (1724)
(Prospero Lorenzo Lambertini †)
Pope Benedict XIII (1675)
(Pietro Francesco (Vincenzo Maria) Orsini de Gravina, O.P. †)
Paluzzo Cardinal Paluzzi Altieri Degli Albertoni † (1666)
Chamberlain (Camerlengo) of the Apostolic Chamber
Ulderico Cardinal Carpegna † (1630)
Cardinal-Priest of Santa Maria in Trastevere
Luigi Cardinal Caetani † (1622)
Cardinal-Priest of Santa Pudenziana
Ludovico Cardinal Ludovisi † (1621)
Archbishop of Bologna
Archbishop Galeazzo Sanvitale † (1604)
Archbishop Emeritus of Bari (-Canosa)
Girolamo Cardinal Bernerio, O.P. † (1586)
Cardinal-Bishop of Albano
Giulio Antonio Cardinal Santorio † (1566)
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Pope Francis (Jorge Mario Bergoglio) [Catholic-Hierarchy]
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Herr Mueller should read Pope Leo XIII, Pope St. Pius X, and Pope Pius XI on the authority of the pope. All agree that that the legitimate Magisterium of the pope is, at the very least, safe to believe and beneficial to the souls of the faithful...hence the adage of St. Augustine: "Roma locuta est, causa finita est." The pope is the "proximate rule of faith", and the faithful thus owe religious …More
Recognition of a pope means that one recognizes them as "proximate rule of faith", and assents to all they teach because they have confidence they will not be led astray. Remove that confidence, start questioning what the dude in white is saying, and you have ceased recognizing him as pope.
At no time was Bergoglio ever seen as the proximate rule of Faith. This is because none of the claimants after Pius XII were seen as the proximate rule of Faith. This does not mean they weren't true popes, only that there was never "universal peaceful acceptance".
Yes, what he is or isn't does matter.....for if you believe a pope can be a manifest heretic, blasphemer & idol worshipper, your understanding of what a pope is becomes totally destroyed. Whereas for those who see that it is impossible for a heretic to be a valid Pope....their understanding of what a True and authentic Pope is, remains intact. A false understanding of what a valid Pope is.....is …More
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The Church is quite clear on what the pope is: 1) the Vicar of Christ on Earth, 2) the visible head of the Church Militant, 3) visible source of unity for the Church Militant, and 4) proximate rule of faith.
From those, it necessarily follows that a true pope cannot, as pope, bind the faithful with a law that would damage souls, teach anything contrary to the ordinary Magisterium, teach anything …More
From those, it necessarily follows that a true pope cannot, as pope, bind the faithful with a law that would damage souls, teach anything contrary to the ordinary Magisterium, teach anything harmful to faith and/or morals. If you have to question if what the "pope" is saying, if it is consistent with Catholic doctrine, then you have just admitted to yourself he's probably not a pope.
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Bergoglio's actions against the faith began in Argentina. If we discover that a man committed perjury before getting married by making the priest and his fiancée believe that he did not have a concubine and that he wanted to continue his relationship with that concubine, his marriage is invalid. Bergoglio was disqualified from became a pope due to his heretical, apostate and schismatic past in ……More
Jorge Bergoglio: I don't know if they made me take the oath – Gloria.tv
Dementia is also a cause of inability to be a Pope.
Bergoglio does not remember if he promised to be faithful to the Church. He does not remember if he promised to defend the deposit of Faith.
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@yuca2111 First, when you understand the theology behind the sedevacantist position, you realize that it is entirely consistent with Catholic theology and Dogma. Sedevacantism is not a heresy (but tell that to those who insist a manifest, pertinatious heretic is a Catholic, let alone pope).
Second, if one rejects Bergoglio in 2024, they are necessarily sedevacantist, as if Jorge isn't pope (he's …More
Second, if one rejects Bergoglio in 2024, they are necessarily sedevacantist, as if Jorge isn't pope (he's not), then the "sede" is "vacante". Now, when Anacletus II claimed the throne, and you rejected his claim, then you supported Innocent II, and thus could not be sedevacantist. This also doesn't explain St. Vincent Ferrer, who argued, at the end of the Western Schism, that the See was vacant because the claimants became schismatics by refusing to heal the split by resigning for the good of the Church.
Seeing as the Church has declared St. Vincent Ferrer a saint and doctor, I don't really think you can argue that "sedevacantism" is an impossibility.
So, Archbishop Vigano is the obvious one to trust and look up to as a spiritual leader!!!
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I disagree with the notion that we, as faithful Catholics, are free to decide “if the pope is really the pope.” Nevertheless. I have read, like everyone else, of the outrageous and anti-Catholic statements and behavior reported about Pope Francis.
But if I understand the reasoning being advanced by some commenters on this site, as a Catholic I am obliged to accept a duly elected pope as the spiritual …More
But if I understand the reasoning being advanced by some commenters on this site, as a Catholic I am obliged to accept a duly elected pope as the spiritual leader of the Church…… unless I have read about reports of either papal behavior or the papal electoral process that I accept as being true and which give me concern. If then, after carefully study I believe the process for electing him pope was flawed in some way, or that he has said or engaged in acts that I have concluded are manifestly heretical, I am free to conclude that the current pope is a false pope. In either of those cases I can remain a faithful, Catholic even though I would be professing sedevacantism.
If those who reject Pope Francis as the Vicar of Christ believe that statement is not sound, I would appreciate it if they would kindly advise me as to where it is in error.
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@Irishpol Apart from the natural and divine Law, the sensus fidei gives you to be able to work it out, spiritual sensitivity etc, I would recommend the oeuvre of Ann Barnhardt. She has 200 + podcasts and hundreds of hours discussing this very topic. Dr Ed Mazza and Fr Paul Kramer in particular also I recommend for English language. The hierarchy has been infiltrated by bad people and bishops who …More
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Irishpol very simple , card. JM Bergoglio was elected when pope Benedict XVI claimed (munus) Petrine Office untill 31.12.2022. Therefore whether the election was corrupt or he is heretic is irrelevant to the fact that more than one pope claiming Petrine Office is forbidden in Catholic Church and any following pope is material usurper as such pending to be formally declared by Church. Unfortunately …More
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@Irishpol 1) It is a matter of Divine and Catholic Faith that the pope must be a member of the Catholic Church.
2) It is a matter of Divine and Catholic Faith that a manifest and pertinatious heretic is not a member of the Catholic Church, as their heresy is a tacit resignation of their membership. A heretic, whether formally declared as such or not, has absolutely no position or authority in the …More
2) It is a matter of Divine and Catholic Faith that a manifest and pertinatious heretic is not a member of the Catholic Church, as their heresy is a tacit resignation of their membership. A heretic, whether formally declared as such or not, has absolutely no position or authority in the Church.
3) The pope is the proximate rule of Faith, and all the faithful are guaranteed to be safe from error and damnation in following the teachings of a valid pope.
4) It is a matter of Divine and Catholic Faith that the Church is infallible in Her teachings on Faith and Morals. That infallibility does NOT extend to papal elections: there have been invalid popes (antipopes) elected in the past.
Conclusion: A valid election does not guarantee a valid pope. A man who is a heretic at the time of his election CANNOT be pope because he is not Catholic. There is no evidence that Bergoglio was ever pope, because he was a heretic in Buenos Aires. And one seriously has to question Benedict XVI, because he legitimately thought he could bifurcate the papacy, which seems to me to be heretical.
[For those that argue his heresy wasn't declared, that is irrelevant: the consistent teaching of the Theologians and doctors is the heretics have no position, with or without a declaration.]
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In Argentina, Bergoglio had been denounced as a heretic on several Argentine Catholic blogs and even in a book by Argentine professor Antonio Caponnetto in 2010 called The Betrayed Church (La Iglesia Traicionada). Let us not forget that the Jesuit order to which Bergoglio belongs was reprimanded by Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI for their heretical positions. In 2008, following the …More
Los jesuitas eligieron a un "Papa Negro" progresista (clarin.com)
Bergoglio's Homosexual Subversion Already Began in Buenos Aires
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What a mess!
Pray for the return of The Holy Virgin of Mount Carmel to come soon.
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If I could explain it briefly, I would say that the problem is that several documents of Vatican II contain heresies maliciously introduced by internal heretics and external enemies of the Church who influenced Vatican II. The general darkening of the Church was caused by homosexuals, masons, communists who infiltrated the Seminary and Bergoglio is one of them. With and after Vatican II, two currents …More
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I believe that many Catholics have not learned to distinguish between what is an “urgency” and what is an emergency. Because if we see that a man wants to kill a group of people, the first thing we must try to do is disarm him. At that moment, it is of no use getting lost in discussions about who opened the door for the man to “kidnap” those people, etc., but we must resolve the immediate problem …More
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Prepare for the worst.
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We certainly need Divine intervention. Regarding the murderer of souls Jorge Mario Bergoglio, we must unmask him so that his rebellion against God and the Church is exposed to all. Following the advice of Pope Leo XIII who recommended us, our duty is to remove the mask from Masons like Bergoglio. Or the recommendation of St. Francis de Sales to shout out to warn others that Bergoglio is a wolf who …More
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Sean Johnson the fact you ignore is card. Bergoglio being elected when pope Benedict XVI (not declared formally by Church nor heretic and/or antipope) claimed Petrine Office which is contrary to Church Constitution. Thereby it is irrelevant whether following claimant is also heretic or not. Finally your private opinion, which is false, or anyone else does not change the fact of card Bergoglio's …More
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la verdad prevalece popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI had the progressive enemies in the coexisting antichurch identified by the latter as the supporters of Cologne declaration 1989. Pope John Paul II was pressured to resign and pope Benedict XVI was forced. Many "trads" have replaced philosophy with ideology and don't know and not use metaphysical distinctions, i.e. fr Hesse has many times spoken …More
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Muller would have been more accurate had he just said, “I refuse to consider the possibility that Francis’s legitimacy is open to question.”
Vigano has elevated the conversation, and the very fact that cardinals like Burke and Muller feel compelled to comment on Francis’s legitimacy evinces the fact that the matter is in fact being questioned my many.
I even know Novus Ordo Catholics who doubt …More
Vigano has elevated the conversation, and the very fact that cardinals like Burke and Muller feel compelled to comment on Francis’s legitimacy evinces the fact that the matter is in fact being questioned my many.
I even know Novus Ordo Catholics who doubt he’s a real pope (try and wrap your head around that one)!
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