Medjugorje Hoax Testimony Solinus – gloria.tv

Medjugorje = Montanism + Fr. Stefano Gobbi 's Fake messages.
Their followers like Medjugorie.
Medjugorie Pilgrim was just for Bosnian tourist business.

" Saint John Vianney did not believe in La Salette and spoke ill of one of the seers, for about ten years. While he did eventually see he was wrong in this, it was not an obstacle to his canonization. "

We as a family went to Medjugorje to experience for ourselves. We met 2 of the child visionaries now adults by arrangement. And seperately saw the main seerer having a loud argument and swearing early in the street outside the church. Additionally the male drove so badly I was pulled out of his path and he mounted the pavement and an elder person fell and he drove off. We were told by the female seer that the outdoor crucifix miraculously wept tears at intervals. My child is curious and as pilgrims prayed and touched handkerchiefs on the large outdoor crucifix, she dug around and found an outdoor water hose buried in the earth that led inside the crucifix to the weeping Christ, where there was tiny water crevice from the hose. She announced this and you should have seen the shocked looks on everyone’s faces as they left their handkerchiefs. I was told by someone in charge they were fixing that and it should have been better constructed. Additionally children, elderly who needed the bathroom or water as it was very hot and left mass were locked out of the church from returning- many travel from overseas for only the day. I have hesitated speaking about this. However, it is nice to see people come and say the rosary night and day. The way the outdoor nightly stations of the cross took on a sound and atmosphere from an scary esoteric movie and everyones children there became frightened. The miracle there is an economic one for the many store holders. But I don’t want to discourage you so see for yourself.

David Murgia was asked What events have marked the debate around the events in Medjugorje?
His answer: It can certainly be said that the events that have marked and mark the debate on this phenomenon are many. Apparitions aside, around Medjugorje the discourse of the so-called "secrets" is very much felt, or revelations that the visionaries would have received from the Gospa (as Our Lady is called in Bosnian) concerning future (and apocalyptic?) Events in the world. There is a very heated debate on these secrets. And the Pontifical Commission itself tried to know its contents several times during the interrogations of the visionaries. But in the end the common address of the Members was to ignore them in order not to fall back into the error - as happened in the judgment of other apparitions, for example those of La Salette - of making the Secrets the proof of the authenticity of the apparitions. As if to say: if the secrets occur, the apparitions must necessarily be true.

Another reason for debate is the economic conditions of the visionaries. For many, in fact, some visionaries would live in luxury thanks to their fame and to the commercial and tourist businesses they would own. In reality, as the Pontifical Commission itself has made clear, the visionaries are not rich at all nor poor, they are middle class.

David Murgia: The canonical and ecclesial situation in Medjugorje is very complex. In the sense that the same pontifical Commission that for 4 years dealt with the phenomenon of Medjugorje has produced a final document - the so-called Final Report (of which the minutes I publish are the backbone) - in which it is substantially stated that the first seven apparitions are credible, that is, those that took place from 24 June 1981 to the end of July of the same year. The subsequent apparitions, therefore, including those that still occur today - for the Pontifical Commission - still need to be studied and deepened.

I would have to go there myself to really, really decide. Friends go there, I"m neutral and I think it seems both sides go overboard. Cardinal Sarah spoke at last Summer's Medjugorje Youth Festival. You really can't have it both ways and say, I like when he says this but reject other... well you can. But I'll patiently wait... also, believe it or not, the recently approved (2008) apparition of Laus saw Our Lady appearing from something like 1664-1718, so yes, there does seem to be precedent for apparitions appearing over a number of years.

Medjugorie is probably phony, just like the election of Francis was/is definitly phony. The "seers" of this site were mediocre actors. I totally believe in the apparitions of the Blessed Virgin Mary at Lourdes(especially) as well as Fatima, Akita. But do I believe that the Blessed Virgin Mary would appear every day for 40 years to these "seers", on appear on command? Not likely. Many good things came from it though. The only bad were the supposed "seers" themselves, and the Franciscan friars there, who manipulated the supposed visions for their own advantage.

I don't believe at all in the authenticity of Medjugorje. However, can we at least be grateful for one thing? I know many people going there in search of the supernatural have been touched by grace and had deep conversions of life to daily Rosary and daily Mass, made cleansing Confessions and returned home much more devout and practicing as Catholics than before.

This happened to a friend of mine when he was in his early 20's. He came home a different person and has gone to daily Mass, frequent Adoration, etc. ever since, even after more than 15 years have passed.

There are also a number of very devout Priests who credit their conversion and vocation to Medjugorje. For example, Father Calloway, who has promoted Devotion to Saint Joseph so beautifully at a time when it is more urgently needed than ever. I heard that after contacting Rome about this devotion, it was the occasion that prompted Pope Francis to declare the Year of Saint Joseph.

I also know someone else who years ago went to see the horrific movie "Jesus Christ Superstar". They said they left the movie theater sobbing over what Christ had suffered for us, and about which they had been completely oblivious until then, having been raised in a non-practicing household. They went on to have a deep conversion and radical change of life.

I'd also once read of a satanist who suddenly received such a powerful light on the Real Presence while watching the Blessed Sacrament being desecrated at a Black Mass -- realizing their fury against the Host could only mean it was truly Christ, Himself.

So, while I don't believe Medjugorje is supernatural, it appears that God and the Blessed Virgin use the occasion to grant souls generous enough to make the difficult journey many supernatural graces and conversion of life for having gone there seeking Jesus and Mary.

God and the Blessed Virgin will seize any opportunity to respond with grace to seeking souls; especially when the Hierarchy itself is doing so much to destroy devotion, piety and faith in souls.

The most important message in many apparitions is Mary's sadness at the fate of humanity if we don't lead good lives, pray, especially the Rosary, and make sacrifices. Many of the apparitions also talk about apostasy within the highest echelons of the Church; for this we must pray, beg Christ and the Blessed Virgin for the freedom and exaltation of Holy Mother the Church. Also, of course, for the conversion of sinners.

Cracking down on apparitions that also provide prophecies that are supposed to take place as they say 'soon' or 'within a seers lifetime', is a cakewalk to victory. But is it victory? naaah. Saying things like: I have been saying that for x years? And then what do you feel? Superiority? Over what? Once the seers die, then will the "you see I was correct!" feeling taste like honey? Sorry all those discussions are pathological. You can as well throw a coin and say: Head it is true and tail it is not, having a coin with two tails. And what will you do when the coin drops and stays on its edge? You will shake your shoulders and continue cracking down, just because now you can't back off from the ranting. Always for all the wrong reasons. Will you be punished by God for supporting or not supporting an apparition? Jesus said: I would thou wert cold or hot. You will probably be punished for not taking a stance more than because of the stance in this kind of questions where you can't know the answer.