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Schneider: Heretical Pope Doesn’t Lose Office

There is no authority to declare an elected and generally accepted Pope as invalid, Bishop Athanasius Schneider wrote on RemnantNewspaper.com (September 18).

Even an invalid election would be de facto healed through the acceptance of the overwhelming majority of cardinals and bishops.

A heretical pope would not lose his office automatically. There is no body within the Church to declare him deposed for heresy: “Such actions would come close to a kind of a heresy of conciliarism or episcopalism.”

The theory of the automatic loss of the papacy due to heresy is a mere opinion that theologians such as St Robert Bellarmin noticed, “Never in history the Magisterium of the Church did admit any canonical procedures of deposition of a heretical pope.”

In the case of a heretical pope, the members of the Church can “avoid him, resist him, refuse to obey him.”

The situation of a heretical pope is humanly irresolvable and needs a “Divine intervention.” Schneider adds that an erring Pope is not eternal.

Picture: Athanasius Schneider © Latin Mass Society, #newsOqllajuyug

Live Mike
"Dott. Cionci explains a point that Bishop Schneider failed to understand: sanatio in radice of an invalid papal election by universal acceptance cannot ever validate the illegitimate election of an antipope during an impeded see of a valid pope who retains his munus. I must add here that after the death of Benedict XVI, there still cannot be a sanatio in radice of Bergoglio's election as there was …More
"Dott. Cionci explains a point that Bishop Schneider failed to understand: sanatio in radice of an invalid papal election by universal acceptance cannot ever validate the illegitimate election of an antipope during an impeded see of a valid pope who retains his munus. I must add here that after the death of Benedict XVI, there still cannot be a sanatio in radice of Bergoglio's election as there was for Pope Vigilius after the death of Pope St. Silverius, because the election of a heretic is incapable of validation by any remedy whatsoever, as I have explained in my book, On the True and the False Pope - The Case Against Bergoglio." - Paul Kramer, Thursday, 21 September 2023 at 9:56 PM
Tony Smith
Schneider is correct on this point.
Philadelphia Trad
I wrote Schneider off a long time ago. Controlled opposition. Same for Burke I’m afraid.
Dr Bobus
Bp Schneider was born in the former Soviet Union. After WWII his parents were held in concentration camps in the Urals.
He was made an auxiliary bishop in the land of his youth.More
Bp Schneider was born in the former Soviet Union. After WWII his parents were held in concentration camps in the Urals.

He was made an auxiliary bishop in the land of his youth.
Kenjiro M. Yoshimori
Schneider is incompetent as a Bishop...otherwise he would not have been assigned to a backwater like Kazakhstan, but rather a major diocese or a Roman Curia posting. I appreciate that he loves Catholic liturgical tradition and celebrates the TLM, but he is a wimp for not declaring the truth, that many learned theologians in the history of the Church have said a heretic pope can be deposed. Francis …More
Schneider is incompetent as a Bishop...otherwise he would not have been assigned to a backwater like Kazakhstan, but rather a major diocese or a Roman Curia posting. I appreciate that he loves Catholic liturgical tradition and celebrates the TLM, but he is a wimp for not declaring the truth, that many learned theologians in the history of the Church have said a heretic pope can be deposed. Francis is an apostate, a heretic, and a sodomy lover. All three reasons should remder him illegit, and be deposed. But like Schneider, ALL the Caridnals are a pack of wimps, as well as the bishops except for Strickland....who probably would be willing to participate in a Council to depose Fracis. The others cringe in fear for their jobs.
Credo .
@tradcatknight. Ooops , there you go again, throwing your comments around to trick bloggers into thinking someone else is in agreement. 🤥
Kenjiro M. Yoshimori
@credo- But millions are!
Credo .
Mr. Yosh. But also, millions are not!
tradcatknight
Schneider thinks you can have a Pope Martin Luther!! HAHA
tradcatknight
FR KRAMER, "BISHOP ATHANASIUS SCHNEIDER TEACHES AGAINST CATHOLIC DOCTRINE"
Bishop Athanasius Schneider has again professed his opinion against Catholic Doctrine that a pope does not lose office even if he is a heretic. Bishop Schneider's comments are at the very least proximate to heresy. ALL PUBLIC HERETICS ARE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH (de fide). Pope Innocent III taught in his authentic magisterium that …More
FR KRAMER, "BISHOP ATHANASIUS SCHNEIDER TEACHES AGAINST CATHOLIC DOCTRINE"
Bishop Athanasius Schneider has again professed his opinion against Catholic Doctrine that a pope does not lose office even if he is a heretic. Bishop Schneider's comments are at the very least proximate to heresy. ALL PUBLIC HERETICS ARE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH (de fide). Pope Innocent III taught in his authentic magisterium that a pope who "withers away into heresy" can be judged and deposed. John of St. Thomas notes that it has been unanimously taught by theologians that a heretical pope can be judged and removed; and the only dispute regards whether the pope loses office automatically or upon pronouncement of judgment, or upon decree of deposition. In 1895, Sydney Smith SJ stated that automatic loss of office for heresy was unanimously taught by theologians, which therefore qualifies the doctrine as a truth of divine and catholic faith, pertaining definitively to the ordinary and universal magisterium.
tradcatknight
BELLARMINE IS NOT EXPRESSING AN OPINION AT ALL SCHNEIDER IS INCOMPETENT
tradcatknight
AND OF COURSE YOU CANT INTELLIGENTLY RESPOND.....HAHAHAHA
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Bishop Schneider:
"Even in the case of a heretical pope he will not lose his office automatically and there is no body within the Church to declare him deposed because of heresy. [much less one person!] ...
"The theory of the automatic loss of the papacy due to heresy remains only an opinion, and even St. Robert Bellarmin noticed this and did not present it as a teaching of the Magisterium itself... …More
Bishop Schneider:
"Even in the case of a heretical pope he will not lose his office automatically and there is no body within the Church to declare him deposed because of heresy. [much less one person!] ...
"The theory of the automatic loss of the papacy due to heresy remains only an opinion, and even St. Robert Bellarmin noticed this and did not present it as a teaching of the Magisterium itself...
"Never in history the Magisterium of the Church did admit any canonical procedures of deposition of a heretical pope.
"The surer Catholic tradition says, that in the case of a heretical pope, the members of the Church can avoid him, resist him, refuse to obey him, all of which can be done without requiring a theory or opinion, that says that a heretical pope automatically loses his office or can be deposed consequently.
"Therefore being it so, we must follow the surer way (via tutior) and abstain from defending the merely opinion of theologians (even be them Saints like St. Robert Bellarmin), which says that a heretical pope automatically loses his office or can be deposed by the Church therefore."
Temperance
I agree with this Bishop.
tradcatknight
FR KRAMER, "BISHOP ATHANASIUS SCHNEIDER TEACHES AGAINST CATHOLIC DOCTRINE"
Bishop Athanasius Schneider has again professed his opinion against Catholic Doctrine that a pope does not lose office even if he is a heretic. Bishop Schneider's comments are at the very least proximate to heresy. ALL PUBLIC HERETICS ARE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH (de fide). Pope Innocent III taught in his authentic magisterium that …More
FR KRAMER, "BISHOP ATHANASIUS SCHNEIDER TEACHES AGAINST CATHOLIC DOCTRINE"
Bishop Athanasius Schneider has again professed his opinion against Catholic Doctrine that a pope does not lose office even if he is a heretic. Bishop Schneider's comments are at the very least proximate to heresy. ALL PUBLIC HERETICS ARE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH (de fide). Pope Innocent III taught in his authentic magisterium that a pope who "withers away into heresy" can be judged and deposed. John of St. Thomas notes that it has been unanimously taught by theologians that a heretical pope can be judged and removed; and the only dispute regards whether the pope loses office automatically or upon pronouncement of judgment, or upon decree of deposition. In 1895, Sydney Smith SJ stated that automatic loss of office for heresy was unanimously taught by theologians, which therefore qualifies the doctrine as a truth of divine and catholic faith, pertaining definitively to the ordinary and universal magisterium.
Temperance
@tradcatknight , Why did you block me?! We might not agree with some things but I am a traditional Catholic. So we don't see eye-to-eye on somethings but I agree with you on many other points you have written about in the past. I was actually surprised when I saw that you blocked me. I love debate and talking about the Catholic faith, I pray to Our Lord to open my eyes if I am blind in any way, and …More
@tradcatknight , Why did you block me?! We might not agree with some things but I am a traditional Catholic. So we don't see eye-to-eye on somethings but I agree with you on many other points you have written about in the past. I was actually surprised when I saw that you blocked me. I love debate and talking about the Catholic faith, I pray to Our Lord to open my eyes if I am blind in any way, and may I always stay humble. At least tell me why you blocked me. My stance on Pope Francis is I cannot judge his papacy. I do not like his teaching or what he has said in the past. I have never liked him from day one. I do not know enough about this matter in the church to proclaim any judgment, and if I did and was wrong I fear for my salvation. I believe it is better to be silent then to make an uniformed judgment. This is a serious matter.
Credo .
@Temperance. He has also blocked me. (He can't handle the truth.)
la verdad prevalece
May Monsignor Athanasius Schneider explain to us why he has placed a heretic and apostate from Argentina, above the Magisterium? According to Monsignor Athanasius Schneider Bergoglio is the only human being on the planet exempt from fulfilling the Law of God.
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la verdad prevalece
Saying such atrocities is equivalent to saying that the devil is still Chief of the Angels in Heaven. Or that Saul was never removed from office. Or that any human being who rebels against God and challenges the Church retains his position.
tradcatknight
FR KRAMER, "BISHOP ATHANASIUS SCHNEIDER TEACHES AGAINST CATHOLIC DOCTRINE"
Bishop Athanasius Schneider has again professed his opinion against Catholic Doctrine that a pope does not lose office even if he is a heretic. Bishop Schneider's comments are at the very least proximate to heresy. ALL PUBLIC HERETICS ARE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH (de fide). Pope Innocent III taught in his authentic magisterium that …More
FR KRAMER, "BISHOP ATHANASIUS SCHNEIDER TEACHES AGAINST CATHOLIC DOCTRINE"
Bishop Athanasius Schneider has again professed his opinion against Catholic Doctrine that a pope does not lose office even if he is a heretic. Bishop Schneider's comments are at the very least proximate to heresy. ALL PUBLIC HERETICS ARE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH (de fide). Pope Innocent III taught in his authentic magisterium that a pope who "withers away into heresy" can be judged and deposed. John of St. Thomas notes that it has been unanimously taught by theologians that a heretical pope can be judged and removed; and the only dispute regards whether the pope loses office automatically or upon pronouncement of judgment, or upon decree of deposition. In 1895, Sydney Smith SJ stated that automatic loss of office for heresy was unanimously taught by theologians, which therefore qualifies the doctrine as a truth of divine and catholic faith, pertaining definitively to the ordinary and universal magisterium.
Credo .
@tradcatknight. Empty headed comments - Intelligence sadly lacking. 🥴
la verdad prevalece
The Magisterium of the Church has decreed invalid and void the elevation of a heretic to the Papacy. Bergoglio is not a Pope who has fallen into heresy, he is an apostate, schismatic, impenitent and obstinate heretic, self-excommunicated from Argentina who usurps the papacy.
Live Mike
Tony M
Great work @Live Mike.
Everyone.....please read the link that Live Mike provides above. It is an absolute MUST READ!!!
Michael Matthew Speyrer
What does cause a bishop to lose authority and communion though is when he publicly signs a document proclaiming the Pope has departed from the deposit of faith, when he has r done so, which Vatican I teaches that not consistent with Vatican One.
Dr Bobus
To tradcathknight. Don't you think it is gutless for someone to call himself a knight but block responses to his empty-headed comments.
tradcatknight
FR KRAMER, "BISHOP ATHANASIUS SCHNEIDER TEACHES AGAINST CATHOLIC DOCTRINE"
Bishop Athanasius Schneider has again professed his opinion against Catholic Doctrine that a pope does not lose office even if he is a heretic. Bishop Schneider's comments are at the very least proximate to heresy. ALL PUBLIC HERETICS ARE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH (de fide). Pope Innocent III taught in his authentic magisterium that …More
FR KRAMER, "BISHOP ATHANASIUS SCHNEIDER TEACHES AGAINST CATHOLIC DOCTRINE"
Bishop Athanasius Schneider has again professed his opinion against Catholic Doctrine that a pope does not lose office even if he is a heretic. Bishop Schneider's comments are at the very least proximate to heresy. ALL PUBLIC HERETICS ARE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH (de fide). Pope Innocent III taught in his authentic magisterium that a pope who "withers away into heresy" can be judged and deposed. John of St. Thomas notes that it has been unanimously taught by theologians that a heretical pope can be judged and removed; and the only dispute regards whether the pope loses office automatically or upon pronouncement of judgment, or upon decree of deposition. In 1895, Sydney Smith SJ stated that automatic loss of office for heresy was unanimously taught by theologians, which therefore qualifies the doctrine as a truth of divine and catholic faith, pertaining definitively to the ordinary and universal magisterium.
Temperance
He blocked me and I never knew why? I love debate because it helps me understand others points of view. And if I am wrong in discussion I will admit it. Its not about who wins but about seeking truth.
Dr Bobus
Neither does a stupid pope lose Office.
Dr Bobus
He's possessed all right--possessed by some 1970s Jesuit formation.
Tony M
It makes absolutely no sense to think that where Bergoglio is belting out heresy on heresy, and working furiously and very systematically towards changing (destroying) the Church in such a way that it cannot be reversed......that we can only sit on our hands and do nothing. That's the coward's way!!! The most destructive heretic in relation to the loss of souls, is obviously one who sits on the …More
It makes absolutely no sense to think that where Bergoglio is belting out heresy on heresy, and working furiously and very systematically towards changing (destroying) the Church in such a way that it cannot be reversed......that we can only sit on our hands and do nothing. That's the coward's way!!! The most destructive heretic in relation to the loss of souls, is obviously one who sits on the Chair of Peter, because everything he says, writes and does goes out to the whole Church & the whole world, with maximal destruction & loss of souls. Bergoglio is the most destructive heretic in the history of the Catholic Church because he sits on the Chair of Peter. This must be fought with every fibre of our Catholic being.
Abp Schneider is not infallible. He is not a Pope.....nor can a heretic be a Pope......because as the heroic Fr Altman said....like the Dalai Lama.....he is not Catholic!!!
And he was not Catholic long before he was supposedly elected. He did not become a heretic only after he took the Chair of Peter.....he was a heretic long before that. How is it possible that a longstanding heretic ie. apostate....no longer Catholic..... be validly elected to the papacy????????????????
IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!!

Have another read of this article written by orthodox Catholic Argentinian Journalist written on the dreadful day Jorge was supposedly elected. The Horror!
A Buenos Aires journalist describes Bergoglio


The Horror! A Buenos Aires journalist describes Bergoglio

We have many friends around the world, including in the dear Argentine Republic. And we asked a cherished friend, Marcelo González, of Panorama Católico Internacional, who knows the Church of Argentina as well as the palm of his hand to send us a report on the new pope. Here it goes:

The Horror!

Of all the unthinkable candidates, Jorge Mario Bergoglio is perhaps the worst. Not because he openly professes doctrines against the faith and morals, but because, judging from his work as Archbishop of Buenos Aires, faith and morals seem to have been irrelevant to him.

A sworn enemy of the Traditional Mass, he has only allowed imitations of it in the hands of declared enemies of the ancient liturgy. He has persecuted every single priest who made an effort to wear a cassock, preach with firmness, or that was simply interested in Summorum Pontificum.

Famous for his inconsistency (at times, for the unintelligibility of his addresses and homilies), accustomed to the use of coarse, demagogical, and ambiguous expressions, it cannot be said that his magisterium is heterodox, but rather non-existent for how confusing it is.

His entourage in the Buenos Aires Curia, with the exception of a few clerics, has not been characterized by the virtue of their actions. Several are under grave suspicion of moral misbehavior.

He has not missed any occasion for holding acts in which he lent his Cathedral to Protestants, Muslims, Jews, and even to partisan groups in the name of an impossible and unnecessary interreligious dialogue. He is famous for his meetings with Protestants in the Luna Park arena where, together with preacher of the Pontifical House, Raniero Cantalamessa, he was "blessed" by Protestant ministers, in a common act of worship in which he, in practice, accepted the validity of the "powers" of the TV-pastors.

This election is incomprehensible: he is not a polyglot, he has no Curial experience, he does not shine for his sanctity, he is loose in doctrine and liturgy, he has not fought against abortion and only very weakly against homosexual "marriage" [approved with practically no opposition from the episcopate], he has no manners to honor the Pontifical Throne. He has never fought for anything else than to remain in positions of power.

It really cannot be what Benedict wanted for the Church. And he does not seem to have any of the conditions required to continue his work.

May God help His Church. One can never dismiss, as humanly hard as it may seem, the possibility of a conversion... and, nonetheless, the future terrifies us.
Kenjiro M. Yoshimori
Schneider just lost a ton of supporters/fans, and maybe his meal ticket bopping around the world to celebrate the TLM here and there. For a bishop like him to claim Bergoglio is the Pope when all he has done since day 1 of his term is promote heretical ideas is unbelievable. Pope Francis is an apostate and a heretic. He just replaced the excellent Archbishop of Vaduz, Liechtenstein with an "apostolic …More
Schneider just lost a ton of supporters/fans, and maybe his meal ticket bopping around the world to celebrate the TLM here and there. For a bishop like him to claim Bergoglio is the Pope when all he has done since day 1 of his term is promote heretical ideas is unbelievable. Pope Francis is an apostate and a heretic. He just replaced the excellent Archbishop of Vaduz, Liechtenstein with an "apostolic administrator" who is a homo loving heretic just like Bergoglio.
@Tony M is right. All faithful and traditional Catholic must stand up and oppose Pope Francis and his homo squad, not sit on or hands, or sit in church and pray for a "conversion" of Francis. That's laughable. We must oppose him/them and that means defy him, disrespect him. ignore him and do the opposite to what he demands. Basically, give him the middle finger in his face, as we say "shove your Synodal Church" up your ---.
I know there will be one or two people who contribute to this site who still defend Francis, calling him "Holy Father". Your Holiness", or worst of all, the "Supreme Pontiff" or the "Vicar of Christ"..a title he himself rejected. To you one or two I say....."you are papalotrist zombies".
tradcatknight
FR KRAMER, "BISHOP ATHANASIUS SCHNEIDER TEACHES AGAINST CATHOLIC DOCTRINE"
Bishop Athanasius Schneider has again professed his opinion against Catholic Doctrine that a pope does not lose office even if he is a heretic. Bishop Schneider's comments are at the very least proximate to heresy. ALL PUBLIC HERETICS ARE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH (de fide). Pope Innocent III taught in his authentic magisterium that …More
FR KRAMER, "BISHOP ATHANASIUS SCHNEIDER TEACHES AGAINST CATHOLIC DOCTRINE"
Bishop Athanasius Schneider has again professed his opinion against Catholic Doctrine that a pope does not lose office even if he is a heretic. Bishop Schneider's comments are at the very least proximate to heresy. ALL PUBLIC HERETICS ARE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH (de fide). Pope Innocent III taught in his authentic magisterium that a pope who "withers away into heresy" can be judged and deposed. John of St. Thomas notes that it has been unanimously taught by theologians that a heretical pope can be judged and removed; and the only dispute regards whether the pope loses office automatically or upon pronouncement of judgment, or upon decree of deposition. In 1895, Sydney Smith SJ stated that automatic loss of office for heresy was unanimously taught by theologians, which therefore qualifies the doctrine as a truth of divine and catholic faith, pertaining definitively to the ordinary and universal magisterium.
Temperance
Satan cannot destroy the church, nether can Francis. Let nothing take your peace away. As a lay person I believe prayer is the proper thing to do in the matter.
Jan Joseph
Natuurlijk gehoorzamen wij een ketterse Paus niet.
English Catholic
WHERE DO WE STAND: Is Bergoglio the Pope?
SEDEVACANTISTS AND THOSE TEMPTED TO THINK THAT POPE FRANCIS IS AN ANTIPOPE - PLEASE WATCH THIS VIDEO
From The Remnant:
In this episode of the Remnant Underground, Michael J. Matt comments on faithful Catholics who, while scandalized by the unprecedented crisis in the Catholic Church — a crisis only accelerated under the pontificate of Pope Francis — have …More
WHERE DO WE STAND: Is Bergoglio the Pope?

SEDEVACANTISTS AND THOSE TEMPTED TO THINK THAT POPE FRANCIS IS AN ANTIPOPE - PLEASE WATCH THIS VIDEO

From The Remnant:

In this episode of the Remnant Underground, Michael J. Matt comments on faithful Catholics who, while scandalized by the unprecedented crisis in the Catholic Church — a crisis only accelerated under the pontificate of Pope Francis — have come to the conclusion that Francis cannot possibly be the pope.
Francis has become the darling of the most powerful pro-abort Globalists in the world — atheists such as Yuval Noah Harari, for example, who in this episode of the Underground explains why he is so appreciative of the great work of Pope Francis — this from the guy who thinks the Resurrection of Jesus Christ is a myth and the Bible is "fake news."

And next week, Francis will have a fireside chat with Bill Clinton at a high-profile event hosted by the notorious Clinton Foundation. (Beam me up, Scotty!)
Meanwhile, Francis’s new apostolic nuncio to the United States is stumping for the next Democrat presidential nominee even before the 2024 election race kicks into high gear.
The situation in the Vatican is obviously out of control, which is why so many bishops and cardinals are pushing back. And yet, Francis didn't start this fire. This is where the Modernist Revolution was always going to end up. Question is, what can ordinary Catholics do to save themselves, and how far can we go in resisting Francis to his face?
Kenjiro M. Yoshimori
NO, he's not!!! Never was since day 1 in 2013.
Dr Bobus
So you're an expert in this matter?
Boanerges Boanerges
The Supreme law of Catholic Church is Salvation of souls, so legitimizing Bergoglio's seduction of souls goes against the very mission of the Catholic Church. We all choose sides in this war of Armageddon and so did Schneider. This stance is obviously the easier path for him, and it is certainly the broader path that many take.
iwirawan
Basically, the Bishop says:
1. If a king is delivering his subjects to the enemy to be devoured, since there is no constitution exist that the subjects allowed to revolt, it is unjust for the subjects to revolt.
2. An apostate Catholic has the authority to lead and teach the Catholic
3. Invalid election is healed by the acceptance of overwhelming majority even the majority was deceived. If the …More
Basically, the Bishop says:
1. If a king is delivering his subjects to the enemy to be devoured, since there is no constitution exist that the subjects allowed to revolt, it is unjust for the subjects to revolt.

2. An apostate Catholic has the authority to lead and teach the Catholic

3. Invalid election is healed by the acceptance of overwhelming majority even the majority was deceived. If the majority realized and start to reject him, it is unjust?

We Catholic expected to uphold justice with courage when we see injustice around us, but we are not even allowed to fight for the injustice done to us?

Sorry, frankly these do not make a lot of sense to me.
Kenjiro M. Yoshimori
I reject what Bishop Schneider said, and he lost alot of supporters I am sure. He is a wimp and a coward to say that even if a heretic, Francis is still Pope and there is no way to depose him. Doctors of the Church say otherwise. I would follow them, not Schneider. He's just trying to cover his a-- by not saying the truth about Francis......that he's an apostate, a heretic, and should be deposed /…More
I reject what Bishop Schneider said, and he lost alot of supporters I am sure. He is a wimp and a coward to say that even if a heretic, Francis is still Pope and there is no way to depose him. Doctors of the Church say otherwise. I would follow them, not Schneider. He's just trying to cover his a-- by not saying the truth about Francis......that he's an apostate, a heretic, and should be deposed /forced to resign.