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Homosex Dubia: Tucho's Answers Raise More Dubia

Homosexualist Tucho Fernández, the head of Francis' CDF, replied on November 8 six dubia on sacraments for gender-confused people.

The three-page text was signed by Francis.

Italian-born Santo Amaro Bishop Giuseppe Negri, Brazil, asked on July 14 if a “transgender person” or adopted/surrogate [=trafficked] children of homosex couples could be baptised, and if active homosexuals could be godparents.

Tucho replied that people who have undergone castration can be baptised if it doesn't cause a public scandal or disorientation among the faithful [which it always does].

He also believes that any child can be baptised if the baptising priest has a "well-founded hope" that the child brought for baptism will be brought up as a Catholic.

Tucho skimmed over the question of whether both homosex partners should be registered as “parents.”

According to Tucho, adults who have undergone castration can be godfathers/godmothers as long as this doesn't cause scandal or disorientation [so, can a man become a "godmother"?]. Homosexuals who live their vice in public or in a state concubinage shouldn't be godparents.

But, “In any case, due pastoral prudence requires that each situation be wisely considered”. In other words: anything goes as long as it is not Catholic.

Picture: Tucho Fernández,, © Mazur/cbcew.org.uk , CC BY-NC-ND, #newsArtdtajfjz

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DrMaria

Nov 9, 2023edited

What can you expect from a regime led by a Jesuit - who conforms to Karl Rahner SJ,'s version of the Arian heresy in our times, which not only degrades Our Lord Jesus Christ to a mere man "perfectly open to God" but also, consequently, places all humans, automatically & indiscriminately, in union with this false god concocted by Rahner, simply by virtue of their being human. This heresy leads to the conclusion that all forms of human behavior are acceptable - and embraced/affirmed by the "false god of Rahner." I heard one apostate Jesuit say it this way: once the "pseudo-incarnation" imagined by Rahner happens, you can't get "Rahner's false god" out of creation. While Cardinal Ottaviani had censored Rahner for his heretical writings, John XXIII appointed Rahner to be peritus (an expert advisor) to and at the Second Vatican Council. The good news about this latest outrage is that the ROT is being exposed for all to see! Let your eyes see what they see~~~~~

Ipsa conteret

Nov 9, 2023edited

A demonic inversion of the Incarnation!!! Rather than Our Lord's coming to lift us up via our sanctification and transformation so we can have communion with Him and the entire Blessed Trinity, Rahner/Bergoglio would reduce the Incarnation to God's mere acceptance and embrance of humanity as it exists - without need for repentance, conversion, and sanctification. It's no wonder that Bergoglio's constant mantra is "all are welcome." It is the renewed Arian heresy of Rahner that is behind his heretical "anonymous Christianity" - which provides theological support for Bergoglio's attempt to dissolve the Catholic Church into the "world church" - new lingo being used since the Synod - which in reality is the church of freemasonry. The spirit of anti-Christ rising - as Pope Benedict XVI warned. Pray the Rosary daily - we are living in the times Our Lady said would come - if we kept offending Her Son, Who is already so much offended!

DrMaria

Nov 9, 2023

It also has to be said that the Rahnerian/Bergoglian fallacies are a complete corruption of the theology/spirituality of St. Ignatius of Loyola - who must be weeping over the many souls being led astray - and the blaspheming of Our Lord's Holy Incarnation!

Sandy Barrett

Nov 9, 2023

Canon law teaches that for a baby to be baptized, there must be a “well-founded hope that the child will be brought up in the Catholic religion.”—Can. 867. "Religion" obviously includes the basics of *both* the Catholic FAITH *and* Catholic MORALS being taught in the household.

Werte

2Nov 9, 2023

+Carlo Vigano states the text “opens another wound in the battered body of the Church” & “represents a further departure from Catholic doctrine,” esp with the effects of the “media interpretation.

DrMaria

3Nov 9, 2023

Thank you, Lord, for Archbishop Vigano!!

DrMaria

6Nov 9, 2023edited

How can anyone take seriously anything said by the author of "Heal Me with Your Mouth. The Art of Kissing."

Kenjiro M. Yoshimori

Nov 9, 2023

He is an active homosexual, "outed" by a woman attending Francis' "synod". This is the kind of filth Francis brings into the Vatican and whose agenda he supports. Of course an active homo would support "Trans" godparents, etc. And course, Francis also, probably a flaming queer himself since he has surrounded himself with them in the Vatican, would approve this document.
There are 2-3 people on this site who at least in the past have rallied to the defense of "pope" Francis and called him "Holy Father" and "Supreme Pontiff", and "Vicar of Christ"(a title he himself rejects). I defy these "know-everything" papalotrists to bend or kneel at the feet of a homo heretic like Francis considering the wreckage he and his people are causing (all Jesuits, all homos or homo-lovers). If they still are brain-dead enough to rally and cheer him, then it can be assumed that they are of the same mind-set and inclination as Francis and Fernandez.

Kenjiro M. Yoshimori

Nov 8, 2023

I found this quote on another Catholic website from their editor regarding Traditiones Custodes : "This spiritual abuse-- and this poisonous hatred of the Catholic faith-- must end! Now, more than ever, we must rally to Holy Mother Church and defeat the vipers who would destroy it."

In case anyone on this site still remains stubbornly supporting Pope Francis BY VIPERS, THEY MEAN POPE FRANCIS AND HIS LEGION OF HOMO CARDINALS AND BISHOPS IN THE VATICAN AND AROUND THE WORLD.

By defeat the vipers who would destroy it, they don't mean for people to grab their Rosaries, head to Church and moan and cry and bewail the state of the Church. Praying the Rosary is wonderful, asking the Blessed Mother to intercede in this time of evil caused by Pope Francis....but beyond that, its time to take concrete action.

Last weekend in the USA, there was an anti-Israel protest in Washington DC which brought out 150,000+ people. It was peaceful, and people had banners and slogans. There was no violence.
I don't think it would be too hard to gather that many, or more, faithful Catholics to come to Rome, march thru the streets, and stand in Piazza San Pietro to protest, and condemn the agenda of apostate, heretic Pope Francis and his legion of homo Vatican advisors against Catholic tradition and the Roman Mass, and all the teachings of the Church and its traditions...including the elections of Popes thru the conclave system in place for 1,000+ years.
Prayer is very good in these times, but action is needed to stop him. I don't know any other religion, where the people would willingly just sit back and allow their leaders to wreck the Faith that has nourished sants and ordinary people. Muslims certainly would not allow it....and I admire them very much for their zeal.
Catholics should have it against Pope Francis and his homosexual advisors and bishops around the world.

Clement Jaeho Chung

Nov 9, 2023edited

@Kenjiro M. Yoshimori Kenjiro....how are you?? always hope you and all your family, lovely people are always happy, healthy...even though very hard time....I saw so shocking news....Crazy Man Cardinal Fernandez and Bergoglio agree Transgender join to Catholic Church possible....ah....I can't explain my feeling now....so terrible day, huge Sorrow day....Lord gives to our Gender!!! we can't changing to this rule!!!! Holy Father Pope John Paul II and Benedict XVI strongly against to this wrong Gender Ideology, and all Orthodox Cardinals, Bishops, Priests, Monks..all Orthodox Catholic People are same too....but now?? is it possible Transgender get to Priest or Monks...I think crazy Old man's time...anything possible.....I hope asking to Beroglio and All Bergoglians....Transgender people join to Sports is fair?? is ok too??? what will they saying?? much much horrible, painful day...now...all Orthodox Cardinals, Bishops are must saying about it's totally wrong!! and they must fight to Beroglio and all Bergoglian!!! if they have silence...it will be much horrible....and we don't need pray for Pope Francis's convert, repentance..so stupid prayer!! instead....we must, must pray to the Lord..please send us real Pope, Orthodox Pope..Fast time. ..we need this prayer!!!and .we must saying about Tyrant's Abdication of Bergoglio!!!! it's so hard..I well know....but we must have this duty!!! Orthodox Cardinals, Bishops are must do that!!! this time I can't wait to see this horrible crazy old man anymore!!!! Bergoglio's time is much longer...we will have huge damages!!!! many talking sorry....Our Lord Sacred Heart of Jesus blessed always you and all your family, lovely people....Holy Mary, All Angels and Saints..pray for us..Amen...take care.....have a great day...always really happy..hear about your great opinion!! .Our Lord Sacred Heart of Jesus blessed always you and all your family, lovely people....Holy Mary, All Angels and Saints..pray for us..Amen...take care.....have a great day...always really happy..hear about your great opinion!!

Denis Efimov

Nov 8, 2023

The answer to the second question apparently allows that a person who has “changed” their gender can be a godfather or godmother in accordance with their “new gender” (if there is no danger of scandal, etc.). If so, then only a complete heretic or apostate could believe that such a thing could exist in the Catholic Church. This can only exist among Protestants, or in the "Synodal Church".

Rafał_Ovile

Nov 8, 2023

Hierarchical usurpers have no legitimate authority to decide about Catholic doctrine and its practice. Likewise a family shouldn't ask a burglar about who is the owner of the items he has stolen from their house. They should act immediately to have the thief and his partners arrested and penalized...

Kenjiro M. Yoshimori

Nov 8, 2023

What does anyone expect? Defense of Catholic Faith and tradition from Francis' Vatican?? C'mon now, think straight. This guy is a homosexual himself....and so to, probably (because of his obsession with them), is Francis.

Katrin Kaufmann

Nov 8, 2023

You can now have a transgender be the godparent of your surrogate born child right after your same-sex couple blessing

Sandy Barrett

Nov 8, 2023

Contradicting Canon Law & a 2015 Vatican statement, Francis and Cardinal Fernández state trans people can be godparents at Baptism. But godparents must help people “lead a Christian life in keeping with baptism and to fulfill faithfully obligations inherent in it.”

Jan Joseph

Nov 8, 2023

Deze kardinaal heeft in zijn jeugd bij zijn opvoeding niet geleerd dat aan alle dingen die wij doen grenzen van moraliteit zijn. Voor mensen die het Rooms Katholieke geloof belijden zijn deze grenzen van moraliteit veel duidelijker. Deze kardinaal had nooit tot priester mogen worden gewijd.

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1 41Nov 8, 2023

The Vatican’s doctrine office has said an adult who identifies as transgender can receive the sacrament of baptism under the same conditions as any adult, as long as there is no risk of causing scandal or confusion to other Catholics

Wilma Lopez

Nov 8, 2023

At least: The note says homosexual persons living together in a relationship like a marriage, especially if it is known in the community, probably should not serve as godparents, but can be invited to serve as witnesses to the baptism

John A Cassani

3Nov 8, 2023

When is someone going to submit dubia as to transgenders receiving Holy Orders? And, what kind of response will these “guys” give?

Sandy Barrett

Nov 11, 2023

The German Synod voted already in favour of that:
Germans Vote on Ordination of Transvestites

Sally Dorman

Nov 8, 2023

No to ALL!!! (But Fernández says Yes)
1—Can a transgender person be baptized?
2 —Can a transgender person be a godfather or godmother at baptism?
3—Can a transgender person be a witness at a wedding?
4—Can two “homoaffective” persons be counted as parents of a child who must be baptized and who was adopted or gained by other methods such as surrogacy?
5—Can a person who is “homoaffective” and …More

No to ALL!!! (But Fernández says Yes)

1—Can a transgender person be baptized?
2 —Can a transgender person be a godfather or godmother at baptism?
3—Can a transgender person be a witness at a wedding?
4—Can two “homoaffective” persons be counted as parents of a child who must be baptized and who was adopted or gained by other methods such as surrogacy?
5—Can a person who is “homoaffective” and cohabiting be godfather to a baptized person?
6—Can a “homoaffective” and cohabiting person be a witness at a wedding?

Orthocat

2Nov 8, 2023

Re: number #1 - the issue isn't if the person is "transgendered" but that the person should be listed according to his/her ACTUAL sex. Some brave bishops have said thus. These DDF responses seem to indicate otherwise.

Wilma Lopez

Nov 8, 2023

In new response to dubia signed by Pope Francis and Cardinal Fernandez, Vatican says transgender persons can be baptized, act as a godparent, and be a witness at a Catholic wedding.
vatican.va/…documents/rc_ddf_20231031-documento-mons-negri.pdfMore

In new response to dubia signed by Pope Francis and Cardinal Fernandez, Vatican says transgender persons can be baptized, act as a godparent, and be a witness at a Catholic wedding.

vatican.va/…documents/rc_ddf_20231031-documento-mons-negri.pdf