When @Carol in a question refers to, "Mega big bitch sessions against Pope Francis?" she is revealing that she is a Bergoglio sympathiser and accepts much (maybe all) Jorge has said, written, and done since he took the Chair of Peter.....his heresies, Pachamama worshipping, and blasphemies (all that Fr Altman outlined in his statement), and the implementation of his plans to change (destroy) the Catholic Church in such a way that it cannot be reversed, as a major blow comes with this absurdly named Synod on Synodality. What Jorge is doing to our Church right now is more than dangerous.....it is outright disastrous....and will lead many souls to Hell. Carol this man, Jorge Bergoglio, with 'Amoris Laetitia' has given divorced and civilly married Catholics the green light to have sacrilegious communion. Do you accept that heretical teaching from him???????? No Pope in the history of the Church has given the go-ahead for sacrilege!!!!!! Carol he is playing you & he is winning hands down. He would be laughing in his soup every night as he observes supposedly orthodox Catholics like yourself continuing to defend him and his heresies. Carol if you think a pertinacious heretic (ie one who refuses to retract his heresies….and in Jorges’s case….keep on belting them out) can be a Pope, the Rock on which the Church was built, you have a badly flawed understanding of what a Pope is. Carol have another listen to Fr Altman’s talk as he enumerates some of the scandalous atrocities Jorge Bergoglio has said & done from the Chair of Peter, for the whole world to see. Have you seen them Carol or have you had your head in the sand and not seen them……or do you accept them? Have you been liberalised by Jorge???
Many people have!!!!

I see.... so acknowledging Pope Francis as the Pope (as is my station) is a cardinal sin now? My road to hell? Gosh. I'm glad I don't adhere to your church. I much prefer the Catholic Church which teaches that the Office of St. Peter belongs to Christ and He alone can judge it; that my duty is to live a Catholic life of prayer and sacrifice - especially for the Holy father when he goes astray.

As for the podcast you refered to me to: how interesting; the speaker is Fr. Kramer who has a long history of revolutionary talk against the hierarchy. And what is his solution? Revolution of course: throw off the yoke of authority, do what you think is right and set up a rival conclave. Wouldn't the German bishops LOVE that (seeing they are doing it anyway). The world is in chaos now - can you imagine what it would be like if everyone did this? There has to be a pivotal point of reference (even if it ithe man in office is terrible) for any type of hierarchy to work. Fr. Kramer speaks as if God is not in control. As if the Church is secular institution that can toppled and "re-built". Fr. Kramer's words are dangerous, very, very dangerous...

Tony M - it was nice of LiveJohn to unblock the reply box for you ;) Now for a true story: In 33AD, Palestine was under Roman rule and had as their overlord a client king of Rome called Herod who was a monster. Things were so bad that the majority of the Jews followed Jesus thinking he would be the leader who would lead a revolt against this evil man and the foreigners invading their country. Alas, how angry they became when they relised He was against the very idea of a physical revolution and spoke to them about addressing the evil within themselves; how each purified soul would draw down an abundance of divine grace from heaven that would disperse the evil fog like the rays of a high noon sun. "Upon this Rock I will build my Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it". Our enemies thought they had prevailed when they hijacked Vatican II. Yet behold, God raised up a saintly Archbishop who began a counter-resistence in the name of tradition that has sprouted and branched and grown. Not as a seperate church but in unity with the Church and the Rock it sits upon; the Holy Office of the Papacy. Yes, the man that sits upon the throne is unworthy but God has allowed it. Perhaps He is waiting for more purified souls to step up and win that grace that floods the world with light. Have we forgotton how powerful prayer, sacrifice and positive Catholic action can be? Christ changed the world with it. Tony M, I feel your pain, and frustation and abhorrence for every betrayal Francis has inflicted on the Church, but Fr. Kramer's revolution is not the answer.

@LiveJohn
4 May 1998 - “The prophecy of Fatima is not a pleasant document to read – it’s not pleasant news. It implies – it doesn't make any sense unless we accept that there will be, or that there is in progress - a wholesale apostasy amongst clerics and laity in the Catholic Church, that the institutional organization of the Roman Catholic Church – that is, the organization of parishes, dioceses, archbishops and bishops and cardinals and the Roman bureaucracies and the chanceries throughout the world - unless that is totally disrupted and rendered null and void, the Third Secret makes no sense, and number two, the other salient characteristic about it is that it means intense suffering for believers.” - Fr. Malachi Martin (reader of the Third Secret of Fatima in February 1960, an advisor to Pope John XXIII and assistant to Cardinal Augustin Bea) declared during an interview on “Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell”

Fr. Malachi Martin Interview with Art Bell on 13 July 1998 (the very Anniversary of the Third Secret of Fatima)
Bell: Father, is there any circumstance under which you can imagine, that you would feel free to reveal the secret?
Martin: Yes. Yes. If there was a total collapse at the center.
Bell: And you anticipate that, don't you?
Martin: I anticipate it as a possibility, Art. I can't predict, but I anticipate it as a possibility, certainly, yes. I do.

"We're facing — what we may have to face, finally — the False Pope." - Fr. Malachi Martin , Detroit, Michigan circa 1989 ? [November 1992 ?]

“Malachi personally confirmed to me in 1997 that the "pope" who will lead the apostasy in the Church will be a HERETIC and an ANTIPOPE.” – Fr. Paul Kramer, Facebook quote, May of 2016

Fr. Malachi Martin Interview with Bernard Janzen 1992, The Kingdom of Darkness...
Janzen: In our discussion earlier you just touched on the subject of Satan's assault on the papacy. Perhaps we could have a brief discussion about that.
Martin: [...] what I think is fatally necessary for every Catholic to know, and that is the fate of the papacy and the coming stress and danger that we shall be without the strength of the papacy.
Bernard: Is it ever possible that the cardinals at a future conclave could elect a heretical pope?
Martin: [brief pause over the sensitive nature of the question] You know…they have elected men in the past who had heretical ideas. Two or three. They have never elected yet an apostate…an apostate. […] An apostate has rebelled against the very fundamental of faith and rejected God and Christ. We have apostates now who are papabili [men who could be elected pope]. Yes, we could have an apostate. But in that day, then we are into something terrible. We’re into something which, Bernard, is something that, if you think on it, in full knowledge of the meaning of your terms, is nightmarish. It would test the faith of St. Catherine of Sienna. It would test the faith of the greatest saint. It would try the patience of Job. It would be a black day; a day on which you can clothe every window in black and put out the lights and dress in sackcloth & ashes and pray that you're spared because your faith is going to be battered to pieces...if that happens. ’cause then, they have the prize and everything goes underground. And we are indeed on our way to becoming what Paul VI, in his misery, called, in 1978, an infinitesimally small part of humanity. Completely marginalized and pushed to the side and forgotten as a quaint group of people as interesting as Tibetan astrologers on a modern campus.
"An Apostate Pope, Under Control of Satan?"

@Live Mike Thank you Mike. I am familiar with Fr Martins work and have his many interviews on file - somewhere! I appreciate your effort to remind us of their importance once again. I also believe we have now reached the point of 'criticality' where future developments both spiritual and globally are uncertain. My only solution is to have a strong Faith, Love God and remain obedient to His Divine Will. I'm reminded of The Lords instruction to us "Without Me you can do nothing".
Pax Vobiscum.

I too do not understand the reason for your reference to this Papal Bull. But even if it was of significance, Fr. Altmans' opinion (interpretation) of any Bull or any Church law is merely an opinion. He has NO authority to apply that law; even if his conclusion/understanding was correct. It is not his station to pass judgement against the Pope. To do so is to do exactly what Luther did. Papal Bulls are not there for lay people and clergymen to use against whoever they think is a heretic!

@chris griffin @Carol H It says everything; Fr Altman's response was right on target. As a former Attorney before joining the priesthood he would have been fully aware of the content of the Apostolic Constitution Universi Dominici Gregis (Papal Bull), and of its legality. That important document (binding on all Catholics - including my critics) clearly states in unambiguous terms, the conditions applying to the election of a Roman Pontiff. As such, it carries with it the full authority of Pope John Paul II; successor to Saint Peter, then later Benedict XVI.
Fr Altman has every right - like any other Catholic to apply UDG to the Conclave that supposedly elected George as Pope Francis. I believe that was the reason, amongst others, underpinning his courageous and timely presentation.
In any event, the whole exercise was a Charade as any Conclave convened to elect a Roman Pontiff cannot take place until the death of a reigning Pope - at the time, Pope Benedict!
Note also the mandatory 21 days notice to convene a legitimate Conclave to elect Pope Benedict's successor was not held - another slight of hand maneuver to legitimize Francis as Pope.
Cheers

Here we go again: Fr. Altman - you, me, Bobby Joe nextdoor - may apply the outline of the Papal Bull to the election of Pope Francis however we have no authority to declare the election invalid. And just as well - because none of us fully understand Church Law and how it is to be applied. You present to us with one papal Bull that constitutes a snippet of Church law and is intended to address a specific topic. Now, Papal Bulls and Canon Law work hand-in -hand - they compliment each other - and like passages of scripture cannot be used in isolation. This brings us to the degree of Pope Boniface VIII (Cap. Quoniam I, de renun., in 6) which was received into the Corpus Juris Canonici (Canon Law) in order to end all doubt as to the legitimacy of papal abdications and all disputes among canonists regarding the issue. That is, the Holy Pontiff, by the papal power he holds, can dissolve the spiritual marriage between himself and the Roman Church - which is equivalent to death.

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He is not .
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Dear Carolan - I find your manner rude and disrespectful. However, as the argument in question is quite important I will consider your reactionary points. First of all, I am defending the Sacred Office of the Papacy; not the man. I would prefer a traditional Pope but wanting and getting rests with God. As for the Church, it cannot be destroyed. Christ said so and our Blessed Mother promised: "In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triump." Now for Canon Law: According to the Code of Canon Law 1405, only the pope can judge cardinals and bishops. Now, the pope is a bishop. Therefore, only a Pope can pass judgement on him. I think that is a pretty basic fact. As to whether Ochoa is a man or woman, do pronouns have any bearing on the case? My point was it matters little what they write or what evidence they present, they have absolutely no authority to pass judgement on the Holy Father. Again, its a question of authority. The Church is a hierarchy and while one may point out where the Pope has erred, one CANNOT declare that he has forfeited his Office. To do so - and especially to make a dogma out of it - is to set oneself outside of the Catholic Church like Luther did. The very word Catholic means universal which comes from the Latin universus meaning "all together, whole, entire": unified. We must have at least the spirit of being 'one' even if we feel as if the Captain is betraying the ship.

Neither has the right to judge him if he is, in fact, the Pope, which is the fundamental question.

The fact that Pope Benedict XVI has stated that he abdicated and has referred to another man as the Pope is not in any sense proof that he did, in fact, abdicate. "I dindu nuffin' " does not make it the truth, something is true on its own merit.

So, now, please produce canonically-valid proof of Benedict XVI's actual abdication.

Declared Benedict: "....with full freedom I declare that I renounce the ministry of Bishop of Rome, Successor of Saint Peter, entrusted to me by the Cardinals on 19 April 2005, in such a way, that as from 28 February 2013, at 20:00 hours, the See of Rome, the See of Saint Peter, will be vacant and a Conclave to elect the new Supreme Pontiff will have to be convoked by those whose competence it is." The See of Peter (office of Papacy) couldn't be vacant if Benedict still held it.

Thanks @123jussi for your thoughts...... But he is not the Pope!!!! See Fr James Altman's & Estefania Acosta Ochoa's exhaustive proofs of the Canon Laws & Apostolic Constitution Laws broken in so many ways, in the supposed resignation of Pope Benedict XVI & supposed election of the most destructive heretic in the History of the Catholic Church, Jorge Mario (pachamama worshipping) Bergoglio. Something is telling me @123jussi that you have not listened to & read those proofs or considered all the essential issues at this crucial point in the history of the Catholic Church. If I have got that wrong ...Please clarify!!!

PS An Apostolic Constitution (Latin: constitutio apostolica) is the most solemn form of legislation issued by the Pope.[1][2

Carol H
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Thanks for those thoughts @andrew24157 .
As a response I would say that all Catholics , both clergy & lay people have the right.... and even more so the duty.... to defend the True Faith against heresy & heretics no matter who the heretics may be. Please note these words from the great Venerable Archbishop Fulton Sheen, '“Who’s going to save our Church? It’s not our bishops, it’s not our priests and it is not the religious. It is up to you, the people. You have the minds, the eyes and the ears to save the Church. Your mission is to see that the priests act like priests, your bishops act like bishops, and the religious act like religious.”

Yes, they have providence evidence to support their personal claim that Pope Frances is not Pope but do they have the right and the authority to do so? Do they have the right and the authority to pass judgement on a Superior? No, they do not. They may point out his error in a repectful manner, but they cannot claim that these error's mean he is not the Pope. Only an equal authority may do so. That is Canon Law. That is Catholic Law. We are not Protestants.

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@Angie W. There is a nightmare scenario that thousands of Cardinals, Bishops and Priests may be not validly ordained because a binding Magisterial Document limiting forever the number of Cardinals to "70" men - which had been obeyed by every Pope from 1586 - 1958, was overturned for some odd reason by John XXIII. The document binds all future Popes to only 70 Cardinals - it specifies that any more than that amount are invalid.
If John XXIII claimed the authority to have 88 Cardinals - when the Church Herself does not permit that there be ever be more than 70 - (according to the document ALL Cardinals elected by a future Pope in excess of that Canonical 70 are invalid.) So, that means at the time of the election of Paul VI - we had 18 invalid Cardinals in 1962 - How many Bishops did THOSE 18 invalidly elected Cardinals ordain? How could they validly choose Bishops? If Bishops are invalid, how can they ordain Priests?

Here is a copy of the Magisterial Document "Postquam Verus - The Cardinals of the Holy Roman Church" Const. of Sixtus V Dec 3rd, 1586. With a side by side Latin/English Translation. As the saying goes "Read it and weep!"

writelatin.org/papal/postquamverus2.html

Pope Sixtus mentions that the reason for the Law being binding on the Church is that Moses was only permitted 70 men to help him govern over the people during the Sojourn in the Wilderness. Pope Sixtus does not give the further example that due to the Lord's specification of an allowed 70 helpers for Moses, The High Priest in Jerusalem only elected 70 Priests to a the Council forming the Sanhedrin to support Himself.

So there is another example historically of a rule limiting the number of helpers to God's "Prime Minister" as only 70. The Pope is the lawful successor of the Temple High Priest, and Sixtus V was binding the Church dogmatically to the Traditional. and historical roots of the Papacy.

However, it gets even murkier. There are doubts as to whether John XXIII was the true Pope at all, There were two sets of White Smoke at the 1958 Conclave and there is evidence to suggest that Cardinal Siri (Pius XII's choice to succeed him) was elected first during that Conclave, hence the appearance of the first white smoke that told the waiting world that a new Pope had been elected. Yet the full, billowing white smoke, suddenly went dark which caused confusion among the onlookers.

According to a couple of sources, the explanation for that event was that Cardinal Siri, was elected Pope in the 1958 Conclave and chose the Name "Gregory XVII" After he accepted, all hell ensued in the Conclave - threats, duress, promises of retaliation globally etc.... as the dry straw was burning to announce his election (the first set of white smoke in 1958), some Cardinals threw damp straw on the fire to stop the white smoke from billowing out of the Chimney. (hoping to disguise the fact that a Pope had been elected. If Pope Siri resigned under duress, which some sources announce he did - then his resignation would be invalid due to Canon Law, and John XXIII would be an anti-Pope as well as a elector and Consecrator of 18 invalid Cardinals.

( This information is well known - If you want further information see my comment on this post Pope has chosen the name of the next Pope, Pope Jo…

@Angie W. PS Anthony Stine read through "Postquam Verus on a "Return to Tradition" podcast.

On The Number And Quality Of The Cardinals Of The Catholic Church: Sixtus V (Postquam Veras 1586)

The abbreviated "Admonitions" at the end of the document.... ?

"§ 23. [Admonitions] - Therefore, to no man is it permitted, this page, to . . . etc.
But if anyone will’ve presumed to attempt this, [he will incur] the indignation of the Almighty God, and of the blesseds . . . etc."

....are the set format found on all other binding documents. For instance THIS ONE!

"Quo Primum - Promulgating the Tridentine Liturgy"Pope Pius V - 1570 APOSTOLIC CONSTITUTION stating that No new Masses will ever be allowed (eternally) from 1570. No revised Missals either.

Admonitions at the end of "Quo Primum"

"Therefore, no one whosoever is permitted to alter this notice of Our permission, statute, ordinance, command, precept, grant, indult, declaration, will, decree, and prohibition. Would anyone, however, presume to commit such an act, he should know that he will incur the wrath of Almighty God and of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul."

Quo Primum - Papal Encyclicals

@LiveJohn I learned somewhere, many years ago, that some Anglican Vicars upon discovering that the Anglican Church had altered the Rite of Ordination and "Apostolic Succession" had been let go - went immediately to the Orthodox Church and requested re-ordination in a Traditional Rite from Orthodox Bishops. Then, having legitimized their Priesthood they returned to their Anglican Parishes.

They were aware of the real situation, yet even today, many Anglicans/Lutherans etc.... do not understand that they have invalid orders . Priests are ordained both in the old Testament AND THE NEW - to offer Sacrifices - God continues the Old System, yet transforms it so that Christ is the permanent offering, day after day, hour after hour, on the Altars of His New Covenant Priesthood. Without the shedding of Blood there is no atonement for sins.
It is all very well Anglican clergy believing in the Real Presence of Christ - but the point they need to remember is the people who changed their ordination rites did NOT believe in it - and the alteration of the texts within their Priestly rite of Ordination reflect their apostate belief.
The perpetual Daily Temple Offering of the victim, has to be continously re-presented, lest the perpetual offering fail (Daniel 8:11-13 and also Daniel 12:11 ) and the Daily Offering is discontinued.

It may be failing in the modern Catholic Churches as well - for the Modern Rite of Priestly Ordination was altered around 1970. Sadly, we possibly have Priests within the RCC who may be invalid today as well!.

It's never "too late" though. What is needed is for Priests who have reasons to doubt their Ordination to go (like those Anglicans) and find someone to re-ordain them as soon as possible! That is what I would do if I were a man and a Priest wanting to ensure I definitely HAD a valid Ordination! I would go on my knees to the SSPX or some Sedevacantist Bishop and ensure I had the authentic Priesthood and need never worry about the matter again.

That being said. I'm aware that Sedevacantist Priests have maintained an authentic Priestly line, with true Apostolic Succession. They have made sure (when there is good reason to worry) that they are Ordained correctly. I remember reading somewhere that their Priesthood descends from someone called Cardinal Thuc. (Who was consecrated by Pius XII I believe) So, THEIR Apostolic line must be okay.

Also, it has been suggested that Cardinal Siri founded the ICKSP. Whether he was or was not the founder is not important, what IS true is that he ordained the two principal Priests usually accredited with it's foundation, Their Rector, Fr Philippe Mora and their Prior General Fr Gilles Wach . They were both Priests Ordained by Cardinal Siri.

Also, of course, there is Archbishop LeFebvre......who like Judas Maccabeus fled the Apostate Temple in Jerusalem Rome and went instead to the Hill Country of Judea Switzerland where he continued to train Priests in the authentic Rites of the Church.

If you have not already viewed the video I've linked below - it has a fascinating stack of information very relevant to our present hour. it shows that the situation within the Old Temple Priesthood before the Birth of Christ, was remarkably similar to how it is right NOW - in the years just before the Return of Our Saviour. it is very interesting.
Even more ominously, (God will not be mocked!) It is known that the Temple in Jerusalem suffered 4 or 5 False High Priests at the close of the Old Covenant era. - and those scandalous High Priests allowed identical blasphemous to what we have seen within our Sacred Spaces since the death of Pius XII. ....alterations to the Old Covenant Faith and the way people worshiped, Just like within the New Testament era OUR recent Popes have destroyed many aspects of the Traditional Faith since 1958. Just prior to the first Coming of Our Lord Jesus, rogue, False, Politically planted High Priests changed everything. They threw out Traditions, created havoc in the way God was worshiped, created new liturgical rites, burned Traditional Holy Liturgical documents and erected in the temple of Jerusalem a second altar upon which a statue was placed known as "The Abomination of Desolation" It even got to the point that the evil rulers supporting the false High Priests put people to death for Circumcising their children... It can be said that those Hellenizing Old Covenant false Temple Priests were an uncanny prototype to our "Globalist" Elite Reprobate clergy in this modern era.

It's all documented in this video..

Vatican II & Novus Ordo Prefigured in the Old Testament

Few know about the Maccabees end of Covenant events in our Churches today - even though the Books of Maccabees are in our RC Bibles! It's possibly because Most RC's don't even have a complete Bible - and don't even know that there are more books in Catholic Bibles than there are in the Bibles people generally tend to buy online.

The canon of the Protestant Bible totals only 66 books !!!! Consisting of 39 Old Testament Books and 27 New Testament Books ; the Catholic Bible on the other hand has 73 books (46 OT, 27 NT) The Greek and Russian Orthodox Bibles have 79 Books (52 OT, 27 NT) whereas the Ethiopian Orthodox has 81 Books 54 OT, 27 NT.

"A dead-end" - Now there's an interesting point of discussion: Where does accepting Sedevacantism lead us? From what I can gather it has created - or certainly in danger of creating - a new protestant sect: a heap of discontents who who have come to believe that it is their democratic right to openly and dogmaticly declare against the Holy Father - and by extension - any other church authority that doesn't measure up to expectations; Viva revolution and all that. Ok. So after spending many hours pouring over this new evidence and that new evidence presenting by other discontents - and patting anyone and everyone on the back who joins your attack on the current Papacy - then what? Where do you yourselves see all this leading and achieving?